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Post by Maksim khorunov on Dec 13, 2018 15:21:15 GMT
Dear friends, Hello! Today I received a photo of Papilio machaon from our novice colleague. He thinks it's ssp.hippocrates but I think it's a mistake. South Korea, Incheon, spring generation. What do you think this subspecies?
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 13, 2018 16:29:04 GMT
Subspecies hippocrates occurs in both Japan and Korea. C. & R. Felder (1864) described it based on 2 females from "Japonia". The syntype from the Felder collection in BMNH labelled as "type" is a dark summer form female without any locality label at all. Bryk (1946) described the Korean population as ssp. kaolimachaon, but it is treated as a synonym of hippocrates.
More study of Korean Papilio machaon and comparison with specimens from Japan may clarify the situation.
Adam.
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Post by Maksim khorunov on Apr 4, 2019 20:30:50 GMT
Friends, all good mood! I apologize that long absent from the forum, a lot of work with the material. Recently I was given an interesting sample, I think it's P. machaon chinensis? Although it is difficult for me group and hope to help Adam!
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 5, 2019 9:33:18 GMT
This is the high altitude ssp. hieromax, related to hookeri (= sikkimensis).
Note the double black chevron over the eyespot and short tails.
Adam.
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Post by Maksim khorunov on Apr 7, 2019 11:04:26 GMT
Thank you Adam!
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Post by Maksim khorunov on Apr 13, 2019 16:02:25 GMT
Adam, Hello! I wrote You in the mail.
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Post by Maksim khorunov on Jun 28, 2019 22:58:29 GMT
Hello friends! I have not shared new photos for a long time. Here are 4 interesting samples. Russia, North Caucasus, Stavropol region, Pyatigorsk, Mashuk mountain, h= 900 m. There are at whom what thoughts and suggestions?
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Post by marjorieriggs on Jul 15, 2019 11:33:04 GMT
Hard to identify.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 15, 2019 13:14:02 GMT
Really? I already identified it on 5th April. I wrote: This is the high altitude ssp. hieromax, related to hookeri (= sikkimensis). Note the double black chevron over the eyespot and short tails. Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 15, 2019 13:30:37 GMT
Can this specimen be with more elongated tails? Can somebody clarify the distribution of high-altitude asian p.machaon complex. I dont know, that ssp. hieromax occurs in shan mountains. What is the valid diferences between high-altitude tibetan subspecies? any quick keys to differentiate them? speaking about ssp.ladakensis, does the indian or pakistan population posses any distinctive features comparing to altai and pamir mountain populations? I would be glad to see the drawers of high-altitude machaon ssp. from china, nepal, bhutan. And the drawer of ssp. ladakensis from different locations ( maybe some species from India, Pakistan, Afghanistan) Best regards, Boris Some of the 'double black chevron over the eyespot' populations can have longer tails, particularly those referable to hookeri, but the tails are not as long as the lower altitude machaon subspecies from nearby lower altitudes. Chola Shan (Que'er Shan) is in NW Sichuan not far south of the part of Qinghai where ssp. hieromax is found. Slightly further east of Qinghai Lake, in southernmost Kansu at higher altitude in Minshan, is a similar subspecies, alpherakyi. It is possible that alpherakyi could occur in the mountains from Minshan (S. Kansu) to NW Sichuan. More data is needed on the distribution of this group. There doesn't seem to be any obvious consistent difference between the various populations of ladakensis from Pamir to NW Himalayas. Adam.
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Post by Maksim khorunov on Jul 16, 2019 11:08:03 GMT
Hello friends! A small selection of the series P. m. gorganus second generation, Russia, Rostov region. Polymorphism is well traced.
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