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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 26, 2015 20:42:55 GMT
PS. I do realise that Peter's reply was very tongue in cheek.
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Post by krupten on May 1, 2015 15:38:57 GMT
IFTA has not been resurrected. I am talking to Catherines sister right now in Rabaul but recent activity of the local "firegod" is making communications a tad difficult. I know Catherine - and though was with IFTA - I don't believe she ever exported alexandrae with permits. IF I can contact Catherine I will ask her but I have a rather full agenda to discuss with her and this may or may not come up in those conversations. Now this is something Adam may be able to verify or not - but the trick to CITES APPENDIX 1 is to get an initial permit for the collection of parent stock only. They may breed and then the resultant progeny must be bred to produce the F2 Generation and then these may be downgraded to appendix TWO and thus legal to export as the lower appendix qualification. Additionally I have been told that they still have not bred alexandrae in Capitivity. That the species is or was in cages but was only hanging from the cover and then simply died. (J. Tennent pers com).
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Post by krupten on May 1, 2015 15:42:42 GMT
O.alexandrae for atavis was Kurt's paper - just males with gold spotting - not common but also not rare. It is interesting and the most I have seen are males with three gold spots on the HINDWINGS. and yes Adam has the chronology and descriptions correct and from memory there was an IUZN complication with the use of Zeunera as a Generic name.
Cheers
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 1, 2015 21:18:19 GMT
The name Zeunera was first described as a genus of Orthoptera by Piton in 1936, so Deslisle's 2001 name is a junior homonym and thus unavailable under the ICZN Code. As a result Deslisle replaced it with Straatmana in 2007.
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 8, 2016 8:45:31 GMT
A pair of Ornithoptera alexandrae is currently offered on ebay HERE. BE CAREFUL it seems to be an illegal pair without permits !
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Post by nomad on Nov 8, 2016 9:31:03 GMT
Looks like a genuine pair. The seller is from Russia. I wonder if they have any of data which should be important factor apart from them being a bred pair? It does not seem to say if he has a permit or not but I very much doubt it.
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 8, 2016 10:10:50 GMT
The seller from Russia is top rated I see only one review as a seller for him. All his other reviews are as a buyer.
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Post by nomad on Nov 8, 2016 10:37:55 GMT
Very true I have edited my post!!
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 8, 2016 14:19:25 GMT
He says "Shipping is Worldwide from Russia". Does he realise that before shipping he needs to provide a RUSSIAN CITES Appendix One export permit to the buyer so they can apply for an import permit?
I guess the answer is yes but he hasn't got permits, otherwise he would state that he does.
In reality, even if he did have full documentation, most importing countries would be unlikely to issue an import permit on principle.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 8, 2016 14:22:24 GMT
Oh, and it seems obvious that these are not very old specimens, they are not spread with legs in position the way Meek would have done. Perhaps they came from Ray Straatman, but I think they look much fresher than those 1970s specimens.
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Post by Paul K on Nov 8, 2016 15:04:42 GMT
Unless live in Russia who wants to pay $5000.00 and most likely loose it. How one can even think of placing bid on it. Until having export/import permits in hand risk of financial lost and potential jail penalty is great.
Paul
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 15:05:18 GMT
Hmmm, I seem to remember some time ago that a Russian seller had homerus and Alexandrae for sale on ebay, might not be the same person but it is easy to set up a new ebay account, worth a thought.
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Post by nomad on Nov 9, 2016 9:10:27 GMT
Says full data. No bids yet.
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Post by nomad on Nov 10, 2016 7:25:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 11:39:44 GMT
Wrong link my friend, that one is to a ulysses female. I'm 99 % sure this has cropped up before on here, again from Russia, the seller had homerus and alexandrae at the same time, kind of sickens me after my trivial torture earler this year.
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