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Post by cabintom on Nov 28, 2021 5:32:46 GMT
All five of these specimens were caught at the same place on the same day. The label is 2cm X 1cm.
1. Graphium policenes policenes 2. Graphium bouyeri (?)
3 - 5. (?) also G. bouyeri (?) - Noticeably smaller & paler than other two, thinner tails. On the wing they were easily distinguished from policenes by size and behaviour. These were also more common than the others.
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Post by cabintom on Nov 28, 2021 5:34:36 GMT
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 29, 2021 1:37:37 GMT
I cannot add much of a scientific viewpoint here but, numbers 1 & 2 are absolutely stunning !
I think if you contact africaone or mothylator you will definitely get some good scientific viewpoints (as both of them) are specialists of the African butterfly fauna.
Adam may be of some help as well since he is a papilionid specialist however, I am unsure how well versed he is in the African genus of Graphium.
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Post by phalaecus on Nov 29, 2021 5:47:03 GMT
Very interesting specimens! Based on my recent experience (I just finished rearranging all my Graphium material of the policenes group) I would say that # 1 is policenes, and # 2-5 are bouyeri.
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Post by africaone on Nov 29, 2021 9:22:24 GMT
1 is policenes and last 4 are bouyeri, nice pictures
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 30, 2021 0:25:36 GMT
Hello africaone,
I noticed an author named Cipolla just described this species this year. Is he a colleague ? The species bears your last name.
Can you elaborate if the species was collected by you and named or was it (found out) by searching through large series of Papilio policenes and then discovered to be something different ?
Or is there something more to the story?
Just idle curiosity and thank you for your time...
Trehopr1
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Post by africaone on Nov 30, 2021 9:43:06 GMT
I believe I have yet tell the story somewhere I can't remember. I discover by myself it in the 80ies in Congo, all the specialits I contacted refused to described it invoking it was yet described as nigrescens or biokoensis (see the story linked to these names). I bred it in Cameroon 20 years ago. Recently I discover that biokoensis has nothing to do with it and then Alexandre Cipolla proposed to describe it (he is a Belgian specialist busy with African fauna). The story is not finished as I have to publish the caterpillar and to make a barcoding study of the all policenes group not yet completed (together other specialists)
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 30, 2021 14:53:14 GMT
I believe I have yet tell the story somewhere I can't remember. I discover by myself it in the 80ies in Congo, all the specialits I contacted refused to described it invoking it was yet described as nigrescens or biokoensis (see the story linked to these names). I bred it in Cameroon 20 years ago. Recently I discover that biokoensis has nothing to do with it and then Alexandre Cipolla proposed to describe it (he is a Belgian specialist busy with African fauna). See collector-secret.proboards.com/thread/3257/african-papilio?page=3 just before half way down the page. Adam.
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Post by cabintom on Nov 30, 2021 15:01:18 GMT
Thank you! It's amazing the number of species that still need to be described/worked through in central Africa. I'm glad this one has a name now.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 30, 2021 18:01:59 GMT
Thank you very much africaone for your reply !
Also, a belated "congratulations" on the naming of this new species.
Thank you as well Adam for directing us to that original notice posted back in March of this year (which I never saw / overlooked) at the time it was posted.
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