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Post by jmg on May 20, 2021 16:42:47 GMT
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Post by wollastoni on May 21, 2021 8:57:03 GMT
Wow first time I see this natural hybrid !
That's a great catch, congrats to Igor!
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Post by africaone on May 21, 2021 15:05:19 GMT
is it possible to know a little more ? parents ... I see also a DNA analysis has been made, then which kinbd of analaysis and results ? ...
thanks, Thierry
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Post by radusho on May 21, 2021 16:18:56 GMT
is it possible to know a little more ? parents ... I see also a DNA analysis has been made, then which kinbd of analaysis and results ? ... thanks, Thierry Parents are stated on the first label. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 21, 2021 19:11:25 GMT
I see also a DNA analysis has been made, then which kinbd of analaysis and results ? ... Presumably mitochondrial DNA was used to confirm which parent was the mother, as that is wholly inherited on the maternal side. So for instance, a barcode sequence (COI) of a hybrid will be identical to that of its mother. Adam. |
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Post by jmg on May 21, 2021 22:49:25 GMT
Here some Parnassiinae from the Alabel Pass, Talas Alatau, and others locations in Kyrgyzstan, June and July 2006.  Parnassius patricius uzyngyrus Parnassius delphius namanganus Parnassius beodromius sokolovi
 Kyzyl Aksuu, Kungei Alatau  Parnassius tianschanicus tianschanicus  Chon Ashuu, with, in the background, on the left, the Khan Tengri (7010 m asl)  Parnassius tianschanicus astrictio
 Chon Ashuu Pass, 4000 m asl  French and Greek lepidopterists - Kara-Say, Koksaal Alatau Igor, the one who captured the hybrid, is the second from the left. 
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Post by africaone on May 22, 2021 9:30:30 GMT
is it possible to know a little more ? parents ... I see also a DNA analysis has been made, then which kinbd of analaysis and results ? ... thanks, Thierry Parents are stated on the first label. for people that doesn't know parnassius, it is not very useful  and what about genetic ? mitochondrail dna just indicates one parent, not both. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 22, 2021 10:03:09 GMT
Presumably they know which species fly in the same place, so can guess what the parents must be and mtDNA will tell you which was the mother.
Adam.
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Post by radusho on May 22, 2021 10:30:05 GMT
Parents are stated on the first label. for people that doesn't know parnassius, it is not very useful and what about genetic ? mitochondrail dna just indicates one parent, not both. Both species fly at the exact same place, they even took a photo of a hybrid pairing |
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Post by africaone on May 23, 2021 9:22:01 GMT
I believe you all but my purpose was that the forum is to teach to everybody espcially those not speciliasied in all groups ....
I really don't know anything about the parents and I had appreciated to learn more, not just a photo that means nothing for us that are ignorant.
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