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Post by nomad on Oct 20, 2016 11:52:47 GMT
I believe a lot of collectors would not bother to repair chips etc. I decided not to because I do not want frankenstein specimens in my collection, it is usually the dealers that will do this, as it is much in their interest to do so, but very few seem to be able to make a good job of it. The best repairs I have ever seen were those done by the 70s dealer P. Smart but I expect his assistant may have had a hand in those. They were so expertly done that you had a job to see them. If you would only collect perfect A1 specimens then Delias are not for you, because few specimens are bred, and your collection would remain very small indeed !
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Post by africaone on Oct 20, 2016 13:28:40 GMT
I have never repaired a butterfly, I am too afraid to damage it even more. If any of you could make a youtube tutorial, it could be interesting! there is not only one technic. It is an art cursus you need (you have to glue, to color, to clip) and for each technic you have to choose wich is best as glue, model (same sp or similar one commoner), to draw, pencils, etc. You have to be motivated and not afraid to destroy the specimen. This is just for valuable specimens espcailly for sale and for collectors that want complete specimen. In insect fair you can see many .... with 2-3 rules, you can detect them easily
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 14:09:36 GMT
A2/B specimen or not, I would take it to go with my 2 lonely males, alas it is already out of my price range, and will always be so,as for repairs I would say if you cant do it properly then leave well alone, I am quite proficient at antenna, body and tail repairs, anything else I don't even attempt it as I would do more harm than good.
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Post by mcheki on Oct 20, 2016 15:57:05 GMT
I have not seen any A2 specimens for sale, unless you know of a good source for them. The only other females I have seen were two A1 specimens at different Juvisy fairs. These two were bought separately on E-bay earlier this year as Buy It Now’s. A lower price than that asked for was offered which was accepted. Right place, right time?
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Post by ciervo on Oct 20, 2016 19:59:33 GMT
Nice. Will you repair them?
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Post by Paul K on Oct 21, 2016 2:39:18 GMT
I only see the point to repair specimen if it is other wise A1/A1- with a chip on the wing. Than I use the same part of wing cut out from same species. The colours and pattern much very good then and in my opinion it doesn't loose scientific value as it represent the same species.
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 21, 2016 5:17:25 GMT
I believe it is best to leave rarities / seldom seen specimens as you find them. The price you pay should be reflective of the condition the item is in. Top dollar for that A1 and considerably less as the appearance degrades. Nothing wrong in my book with a "survivor" specimen which shows a little mileage and that it once lived an active life !
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Post by forster on Oct 21, 2016 10:02:00 GMT
It is interesting how different collectors' opinions are when it comes to repairs and specimen conditions. Personally, I would prefer a slightly damaged wild caught specimen (with a few chips in the wings for example) and leave it as it is over a bred perfect specimen any time if I have a choice. If a species is rare, I don't care that much about A1. The female Myscelia aracynthia I have in my collection looks nearly perfect, but has a small (and very good) repair so I consider it as A- (as all repaired specimens)
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Post by mcheki on Oct 21, 2016 16:17:09 GMT
Nice. Will you repair them? No. I will leave them as they are. My interest in these is that I have an inkling that they are the previously named subspecies kigeziensis. This has recently been synonymised with ssp: fournierae though. The specimens come from Lubongo in southern Kivu, DRC which is not that far from the type locality of Kigezi Forest in western Uganda. Anyone with any views on this?
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 21, 2016 18:05:25 GMT
First I've heard of synonymisation - have you seen a paper on this? I don't have kigeziensis myself, but I had the impression that males have a differently shaped HW tornal point.
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Post by mcheki on Oct 21, 2016 19:06:59 GMT
First I've heard of synonymisation - have you seen a paper on this? I don't have kigeziensis myself, but I had the impression that males have a differently shaped HW tornal point. Yes.
"Revision du statut des membres du groupe de Charaxes acraeoides, Druce 1908". Authors: Vingerhoedt, Zakharov, Rougerie and Bouyer.
Entomologia Africana 15 (1) 2010
Paper based on DNA barcoding.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 21, 2016 20:37:22 GMT
Thanks! I've been lax in picking up that publication...need to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 23:17:45 GMT
I still need to translate some of the text from the publications, but maybe Theirry will comment on the status. Fingers crossed that Tom will get a chance to study the species while he is in Africa, it is almost too good of an opportunity to pass up. He shouldn't have to drive more than a few hours to be in prime habitat! I have been informed by a reliable source that Craibia brevicaudata is/can be a host plant, in case somebody can get some livestock. It would be nice to finally see a breeding program that isn't solely centered around profit. I wish they were as common as Pieris rapae, maybe some crazy scientist will use CRISPR to make a hardy subspecies
Does anybody here know anything about vandenberghei? I've never seen one for sale, and there is virtually no information on the internet. They don't seem to have the same iridescence, but this could be due to the photography.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 21, 2016 23:27:48 GMT
I've seen a female vandenberghei for sale - very expensive - IIRC it was around 4500 euro, as opposed to half that for a good nominate female.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 2:03:00 GMT
That is quite pricey, can't ever see spending that kind of money unless it was for breeding purposes. Well, at least I am lucky enough to have a set of perfect males. Unless something changes with the supply, they might have to remain lonely. It is fitting though, beautiful ♀ seem to be expensive and play hard-to-get no matter the species...
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