jensb
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Post by jensb on Feb 23, 2015 10:19:50 GMT
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Post by Paul K on Feb 24, 2015 13:17:55 GMT
The seller asking 3600euro. Does anyone no how rare is that species in Africa ? To be honest I have never seen this one but I think the price is high isn't ?
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jensb
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Post by jensb on Feb 24, 2015 15:40:13 GMT
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Post by Paul K on Feb 24, 2015 16:02:54 GMT
True . If you collecting Argema sp. and that is a part of collection for sure it is still cheaper then travel there and try to find it.
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Post by africaone on Feb 24, 2015 23:03:26 GMT
The seller asking 3600euro. Does anyone no how rare is that species in Africa ? To be honest I have never seen this one but I think the price is high isn't ? not so many in comparaison with other rarities.  it the price of a lydiae pair that is very much more common |
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mantisboy
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Post by mantisboy on Feb 25, 2015 2:08:22 GMT
Well, if anyone here buys it, make sure to post some pictures! It it a very rare and beautiful moth.
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Post by trehopr1 on Feb 25, 2015 2:37:45 GMT
Argema besanti as well as A.kuhnei still remain "high-end" objects of desire for those who would want one for collection. It's funny that the only other 2 species of Argema known (Mittrei & Mimosae) have been bred out (produced) for years and are very cheap price wise at that. Besanti hails from Kenya and that seems to be a fairly safe and stable place compared to most other African nations. So as to why it remains such an enigma in the marketplace of collectors is any number of educated guesses.
Perhaps the only descent ones are "wild-caught" examples which are only occasionally found; maybe no one is breeding them; maybe it's a difficult species to breed out to adult--- with high larval mortality; or maybe their numbers are artificially regulated by a select few so as to keep the prices high and the demand ALWAYS wanting. I suppose the list goes on....
Anyway, I've always had a soft spot for Saturniidae in general but, I'm not a specialist on the group. So someone perhaps on this forum with a more focused knowledge of them could tell us more. I believe that truely RARE Saturniidae make up a very small percentage of the family overall. Where they can be found they seem to breed prolifically despite all the predators that prey on them as larvae and adults. It seems only when one of the aforementioned resons comes into play that their scarcity makes them affordable to only a select few.
Of coarse humans use of and reckless abandon for pesticides & herbicides will ALWAYS upset the "applecart" of mother natures balances !
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Post by africaone on Feb 25, 2015 11:01:14 GMT
Argema besanti as well as A.kuhnei still remain "high-end" objects of desire for those who would want one for collection. It's funny that the only other 2 species of Argema known (Mittrei & Mimosae) have been bred out (produced) for years and are very cheap price wise at that. Besanti hails from Kenya and that seems to be a fairly safe and stable place compared to most other African nations. So as to why it remains such an enigma in the marketplace of collectors is any number of educated guesses. Perhaps the only descent ones are "wild-caught" examples which are only occasionally found; maybe no one is breeding them; maybe it's a difficult species to breed out to adult--- with high larval mortality; or maybe their numbers are artificially regulated by a select few so as to keep the prices high and the demand ALWAYS wanting. I suppose the list goes on.... Anyway, I've always had a soft spot for Saturniidae in general but, I'm not a specialist on the group. So someone perhaps on this forum with a more focused knowledge of them could tell us more. I believe that truely RARE Saturniidae make up a very small percentage of the family overall. Where they can be found they seem to breed prolifically despite all the predators that prey on them as larvae and adults. It seems only when one of the aforementioned resons comes into play that their scarcity makes them affordable to only a select few. Of coarse humans use of and reckless abandon for pesticides & herbicides will ALWAYS upset the "applecart" of mother natures balances ! one must realised that none species is uncommon, otherwise it has been disapeared for a long time. It may be rare in collection, in unsafe area, with ecological special request, etc.. but none is really rare in nature ! The value of an insect depend on some factors such as the avaibility, the beauty, the reputation ... Charaxes and Papilionidae are high priced because they have a story, they are beautiful , some species are mythic, they are collected by anybody in the world ( a large market including non specialist). besanti is probably in the top 3 of the worlwide saturniidae (and moths), being wanted by many more people than just Saturniidophiles. it is quite uncommon in collection (I had only 4 in collection and may be no more than 30 more are known in collection)
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Post by Paul K on Feb 25, 2015 13:36:05 GMT
Wow ! Did you collect them by your self ?
Paul
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Post by africaone on Feb 25, 2015 14:08:52 GMT
Wow ! Did you collect them by your self ? Paul  ... no ! |
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Post by atocha on Nov 8, 2023 3:05:04 GMT
Wow ! Did you collect them by your self ? Paul ... no ! Can you email me? I have some questions... atocha59@gmail.com |
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it the price of a lydiae pair that is very much more common
... no !
