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Post by wollastoni on Oct 6, 2017 12:59:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 19:30:59 GMT
I wonder, at these large insect fairs if there are any younger people say under the age of 20 who buy deadstock, it would give some hope for the future of the hobby if they do.
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Post by nomad on Oct 6, 2017 20:48:52 GMT
Looks large. Thanks for the link. I always here that this hobby is declining but the big insect fairs are always packed to the roof.  A Pity Tokyo is 9,607 km from my home town. They never seem to advertise the fair in English, so one for the Japanese collectors I believe. I wonder what the Delias specimens are like at Tokyo, I expect it depends on their contacts. A number of Juvisy dealers have a very good one.  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 7, 2017 16:04:28 GMT
The Juvisy dealers may very well have good contacts however, I'm certain the Japanese like-wise have equally good contacts and probably get the "cream of the crop" skimmed off for their market as they will always pay higher prices.
I say this because a friend of mine who was a dealer here in the states did some extensive sales with the Japanese (mid-80's thru 1991). He told me personally that when "top shelf" material was had by him he would automatically call his Japanese contacts and then his German contacts. That's where the buyers were. American collectors with real money were too few and far between.
The Japanese only wanted the very best "spot-on" material and as long as you could deliver the goods you would always be in their first thoughts. Failure was not an option with them as they knew they had the buying power over anyone else.
At the time P.homerus was in high demand and he remarked he did VERY well by them along with P.machonides, aristor, and other Carribean Papilionidae for which he had active contacts.
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Post by wollastoni on Oct 7, 2017 16:26:24 GMT
I wonder, at these large insect fairs if there are any younger people say under the age of 20 who buy deadstock, it would give some hope for the future of the hobby if they do. In Juvisy, there are many. French entomological associations, French insect forums are powerful and this helps recruit new people to entomology. |
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Post by wollastoni on Oct 7, 2017 16:29:33 GMT
I always here that this hobby is declining About 1000 members here, 2000 on Insectnet, 7000 on Insecterra, 5000 in Facebook groups ... our hobby is still well alive, don't worry !  |
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Post by nomad on Oct 7, 2017 16:38:16 GMT
It is well known that the Japanese pay top yen for insects, there being quite a number of affluent collectors in that country. By contacts, I was only referring to Delias, they are quite popular in Japan, hence they are the only people to have produced a modern book on the subject. Another consideration would be flights and hotels to get to that fair, that is quite a lot of money which could be spent on the insects themselves. Plus I believe you would have to be quick of the mark to get any bargains. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 19:47:28 GMT
I think by reading the remarks that I live in the wrong country to be a collector now, glad to see it's still alive and well in other countries though.
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Post by satyrinae on Oct 7, 2017 19:55:50 GMT
Whenever I had special aberrations of P. machaon melitensis, they all ended up in Japan as they offered 3 times what any European would have offered. This is one such beauty that I still have in my collection. Apologies for the quality of the photo.  |
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Post by africaone on Oct 8, 2017 7:40:13 GMT
I always here that this hobby is declining About 1000 members here, 2000 on Insectnet, 7000 on Insecterra, 5000 in Facebook groups ... our hobby is still well alive, don't worry ! do you have a diagram (curve) showing age / number of members ? It may be interesting to know the real state of our passion and the influence of the new technology (gaming, etc.) in the lower age.
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Post by wollastoni on Oct 8, 2017 14:03:34 GMT
do you have a diagram (curve) showing age / number of members ? It may be interesting to know the real state of our passion and the influence of the new technology (gaming, etc.) in the lower age. I don't have such data as age is not asked when people register here. This said, I can tell you that there are many people in their 20ies on Insecterra and facebook, more than on the ICF or Insectnet. For facebook, the reason is easy, they live there ! Below you will find the profile of people liking "Collector's Secret" on facebook (1900 members)  CS data by opequin, sur Flickr As you can see it is VERY young and feminine. I don't think it is the reality of CS visitors (younger generation easily presses "like" on facebook pages versus older generation) --> but it clearly shows that young people are many in our hobby. For Insecterra, there are many young French there. As they are around 20 year old, they are not yet specialised, most of them collect local insects and a local forum is more suitable for them than an international forum like the ICF or Insectnet. The barrier of the English language is also higher when you are young, than when you are grown up and had the chance to practice it more (at work). To conclude, I would say that our hobby is more a hobby of 40+ than 40- but there are still many young interested in the hobby, and forums, websites, facebook groups are the good way to recrute them and comfort them in their passion. PS : I am from the first generation of gaming and I am a good field collector, not sure gaming is an issue PS2 : offer kids some nets ! |
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Post by africaone on Oct 8, 2017 18:12:13 GMT
I am of the generation having children between 17 to 22 years.
There is a big contradiction I can see. They like to be on social network or gaming (one of my boys is a kind of geek), but when you proposed them to go outside and to come at insectfairs they are very happy to do it.
On another side they are two factors influencing the purpose.
- first, to collect you need some money, and the money is not the pocket of the youngest.
- second, it seem obvious that the mean age of collectors increases (see public in insectfairs and in entomological meetings or memberships in entomological societies).
It is an interesting discussion. Mya be to open a new topic for this as nothing to do with Tokyo itself !
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A Pity Tokyo is 9,607 km from my home town. They never seem to advertise the fair in English, so one for the Japanese collectors I believe. I wonder what the Delias specimens are like at Tokyo, I expect it depends on their contacts. A number of Juvisy dealers have a very good one. 
