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Post by cabintom on Sept 18, 2016 12:36:47 GMT
More Lycaenids! ...and more help needed. :/ Triclema sp. 21/VII/2016 Nebobongo, Haut-Uele (2°27'N, 27°38'E) 790m  Neurellipes sp. 21/VII/2016 Nebobongo, Haut-Uele (2°27'N, 27°38'E) 750m  |
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Post by mcheki on Sept 18, 2016 17:08:24 GMT
Having checked what I can and also referring to "Revision des Anthene africains" by Michel Libert I can suggest that the Triclema is T lacides (Hewitson, 1874) and that the Neurellipes is N onias (Hulstaert, 1924). I think both are males.I hope others agree.
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Post by cabintom on Sept 18, 2016 17:33:52 GMT
Having checked what I can and also referring to "Revision des Anthene africains" by Michel Libert I can suggest that the Triclema is T lacides (Hewitson, 1874) and that the Neurellipes is N onias (Hulstaert, 1924). looks like a good match. I'm not sure how I overlooked that one when I was looking through Libert's revision. Thanks. For the Neurellipes I had thought of N. onias, but the markings in verso FW orange patch are fairly different... well at least compared to what I have currently labelled as N. onias.
1/IX/2015 Quartier Butsili, Beni, Nord Kivu (0°31'N, 29°26'E) 1090m  |
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Post by mcheki on Sept 19, 2016 12:32:04 GMT
I have a few very tatty examples of N onias and the markings in the forewing underside orange patch seem a bit variable so I thought it was only individual variation. The other markings seem fairly consistent.
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Post by cabintom on Sept 19, 2016 13:20:45 GMT
I have a few very tatty examples of N onias and the markings in the forewing underside orange patch seem a bit variable so I thought it was only individual variation. The other markings seem fairly consistent. Michel Libert just got back to me and his initial thoughts mirrored yours. I've asked him if this is normal variation for the species. My 3 other onias specimens all have 2 more or less parallel white bars bordering either side of a variable black mark. But, you are right, all the other markings are practically identical. |
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Post by cabintom on Sept 20, 2016 14:46:55 GMT
Here's Libert's response: "Tu as raison, le dessin de cette partie du verso est particulier ; il faudrait voir si cette particularité se retrouve chez d’autres mâles, mais je ne me souviens pas l’avoir observée chez ceux que j’ai examinés." Basically, "You are right, the mark in that part of the verso is particular; it would be necessary to see if this particularity is found in other males, but I don't recall having observed it in the ones I examined." I guess, further research is required.  |
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Post by mcheki on Sept 20, 2016 16:08:14 GMT
I'll photograph all mine as undersides a bit later and see what we think!
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Post by mcheki on Sept 21, 2016 18:57:38 GMT
Here are the N onias specimens showing their undersides. Not quite as much variation as I first thought but still interesting. Also despite the poor condition of the specimens. The first column are males all from Minziro in north west Tanzania except the top one which comes from Pateka in Kivu district of DRC. The left column are supposed to be females but I am not so sure about this, the centre one is from Pateka and the other two (to[ and bottom) are from Minziro. |
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Post by cabintom on Sept 21, 2016 20:17:18 GMT
Interesting! I'll need to find some time tomorrow to put together pictures of my specimens' versos as well.
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Post by cabintom on Sept 24, 2016 4:45:30 GMT
 #1: 4/VII/2014 Nebobongo, Haut-Uele (2°27'N, 27°38'E) 770m (This one was photographed using an older "method" of mine, it's not properly to scale, and the colour balance is probably a bit off.) #2: 5/IX/2015 Beni, Nord Kivu (0°31'N, 29°26'E) 1090m #3: 1/IX/2015 Beni, Nord Kivu (0°31'N, 29°26'E) 1090m |
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Post by mcheki on Sept 24, 2016 17:52:02 GMT
So there is some variation present. So probably all the same species.
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Post by cabintom on Sept 24, 2016 20:21:57 GMT
It's got to be that. All the other features are consistent across both your and my males, including the one in question. Nevertheless, when I'm next at ABRI I'll take a look at the specimens there to see if there are any others like this.
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Post by cabintom on Nov 9, 2016 21:28:47 GMT
I'm at ABRI this week.
Today I looked at 25+ specimens on N. onias. Although variation is evident, all basically have the same features in that orange patch: two mostly parallel white lines, with a varying degree of black sandwiched in the middle. Seems like I've got a bit of an outlier, but it doesn't seem like it could be anything other than N. onias.
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