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Post by africaone on May 23, 2015 20:32:24 GMT
Yes, it's strange, I was expecting the body to be split down the middle, but it isn't. I also found that the mosaic agenor that I bred before was rather strange in that the one hindwing was mostly female on the upperside, but the underside was completely normal male, it seems the gynandromorphism was restricted to the scales on the upperside. I have a such gynandro in which only the verso surface of one forewing is female §the recto being like the rest of the moth) then a kind of 1/8 gynandro. very strange.
On another side thanks for sharing a such experience Adam, a great moment
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Post by africaone on May 23, 2015 12:09:30 GMT
Well, not precisely, but I can say that over many years of breeding I have never actually seen a bilateral gynandromorph before in any of the butterflies I have bred. I did find a single mosaic gynandromorph specimen of Papilio memnon, with part of the upperside of one hindwing female but the whole of the rest of the insect was male, including the underside of the wing with female scales. I also bred a single mosaic gynandromorph of Papilio clytia among thousands of specimens. Both of these have been displayed online before. I think that gynandromorphism rates do vary from species to species, as it seems that some Cymothoe species are more prone to the mutation than other butterflies, and in Papilio it does seem that gynandromorphs occur more commonly in P. memnon than in many other species. Of course it helps to actually notice them when there is distinct sexual dimorphism. In many species where both sexes look almost identical it may well be that gynandromorphs just aren't noticed when they occur. Adam. I had only one by breeding but I don't bred big quantities like other collectors. I seen a lot from breeders (without any statistic made).
The occurrence of so many gynandro in RCA (count a total not far a four-digit number)(not only Cymothoe as often written) is probably due the industrial quantities of butterflies caught there and the ability of hunters to recognise them quickly in big quantities of common things, a pure statistical problem.
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Post by africaone on May 23, 2015 11:49:35 GMT
a picture of my gynandro box (just missing 10 Charaxes gynandro including 7 achaemenes and 3 "black" that gone with my Charaxes collection a long time ago) note the only that I known and seen of an African lucanid (there are probably more existing but I never seen another)
NONE from RCA industry
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Post by africaone on May 23, 2015 6:58:46 GMT
Adam, Do you have a statistic of the occurrence of gynandro in breeding expériences ?
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Post by africaone on May 20, 2015 21:56:48 GMT
here some (unsorted ) Agaristidae from Africa
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Post by africaone on May 20, 2015 19:53:35 GMT
Tom, your last is a Saturniidae of the genus Pseudaphelia (probably simplex). I have found two times females laying during the day and sometimes have seen it flying during the day. Most of the day flying moths in Africa are Agaristidae and Zygaenidae (+ some geometridae, Pyralidae, ...). One of the most intresting is the genus Aletis (Geometridae also ressembling a set of Agaristid species of the big more general complex orange/black/white comprising moths and butterflies, including many Limenitidinae such as Euphaedra, Cymothoe,Euptera, Bebearia, ... and Pseudacrea, Danaus, ...) that is the model of a group of Lycaenid species of the genus Pseudaletis (note the name). And this lycaenids looks like the model when flying under forest.
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Post by africaone on May 20, 2015 16:33:18 GMT
Do the Japan really respect CITES ?
I heared that quite nothing is verified for entry there ! I am curious to know the exact situation (not the official one )
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Post by africaone on May 19, 2015 5:38:04 GMT
I just received the answer from the eBay seller, he verified his specimen. He was abused by his provider. He is not happy
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Post by africaone on May 18, 2015 15:57:48 GMT
in the case of my specimen, I always thought that he cut an aberrant specimen (may be a gynandro) (see the cell length and (intact) FW shape to appreciate it) He should have got more money with the original ! completely crazy and stupid .. like it is often the case in Africa
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Post by africaone on May 18, 2015 15:01:38 GMT
here is mine ! I got it for free 3 years ago when I was in Bangui. A seller tried to sale me this antimachus "female" (papered !!), he was very clever as he came at night when the light were off (light is cut most the time there). He probably thought I will not see the fake with a torch light. He didn't deny and offered it for free with a small lot of Charaxes and Papilionidae females (very cheap !) and after I declined his offer of diamonds (there are many there). I set it and I keep it in collection as a "souvenir". What is strange, it is assymetric (it is not a photo effect) ... may be he has cut a gynandro ?
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Post by africaone on May 18, 2015 10:48:52 GMT
I bet they are some in collection
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Post by africaone on May 18, 2015 6:50:01 GMT
That's mighty clever and very resourceful. Shows the lengths that unscrupulous people are willing to go for the love of money. Fortunately, sharp eyed members of this forum are quick to expose such larceny and bring it to light for the betterment and knowledge of others. BRAVO to africaone, deliasfanatic, and cabintom ! ! I wrote to the ebayer to make some classic verification (to be sure, my judgment is made only on a picture that is not the most reliable method). In case of positive answer, it is probable that the seller has been abused by his provider and is also a victim ( I hope for him)
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Post by africaone on May 17, 2015 21:36:55 GMT
it is a fake female ! the wings were cut to make like ! Of course you're right! No wonder it looks so odd! I sent a message to the ebayer !
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Post by africaone on May 17, 2015 21:26:24 GMT
it is a fake female ! the wings were cut to make like !
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Post by africaone on May 12, 2015 15:22:08 GMT
I remember him ... be careful
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