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Post by africaone on Mar 2, 2023 7:41:56 GMT
In Belgium we had (at least)
Overlaet F.G. Seydel C. Berger, L. Hulstaert, R.P. Allard, V. Hecq, J. Fontaine, M. Schouteden H. Kiriakoff S. G.
and I can a lot of big collectors or curators that had their name on species and /or a lot fspecimens in Museum (it depends on whre you put the cursor)
Note that the famous Haroun Tazzieff collected a few and some of his material is in Tervuren museum (He was partailly linked to the ULB University of Bruxelles.
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Post by africaone on Mar 22, 2022 13:50:44 GMT
Hi Africaone, although you sound incredibly frustrated with us all it is great to hear you are willing to become part of a group focussed on this issue For us all I am sure there are limiting factors at play, whether this be experience, access to specimens or time, etc but if progress is to be made then positive contributions can surely only help I know from my own perspective I have built up a collection over many years with a view to utilising this when I retire from work, as a hobby to further my knowledge in this fascinating subject. I have also found that access to decent material has been hard to do as the museums are not close enough to make regular visits viable I also believe that nothing is like the real thing and although books can give a starting point actual specimens are so much better I am still pursuing the options available to be able to contribute positively to this discussion, and once I have more information I will post my findings For now, and reading between the lines I certainly think it is apparent there is a real lack of understanding across a spectrum of African leps so I look forward to any progress that can be made we are working on them with yet some interesting results. Scientific work took time ....
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Post by africaone on Nov 30, 2021 9:43:06 GMT
I believe I have yet tell the story somewhere I can't remember. I discover by myself it in the 80ies in Congo, all the specialits I contacted refused to described it invoking it was yet described as nigrescens or biokoensis (see the story linked to these names). I bred it in Cameroon 20 years ago. Recently I discover that biokoensis has nothing to do with it and then Alexandre Cipolla proposed to describe it (he is a Belgian specialist busy with African fauna). The story is not finished as I have to publish the caterpillar and to make a barcoding study of the all policenes group not yet completed (together other specialists)
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Post by africaone on Nov 29, 2021 9:22:24 GMT
1 is policenes and last 4 are bouyeri, nice pictures
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Post by africaone on Nov 10, 2021 20:03:26 GMT
interesting, I never heard about legeri in Cameroon. not so surprising as it is not far from the type locality.
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Post by africaone on Nov 9, 2021 10:54:48 GMT
what is the locality ?
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Post by africaone on Oct 3, 2021 20:42:43 GMT
what is your website ?
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Post by africaone on Oct 3, 2021 8:54:42 GMT
Do you collect Pseudaletis ?
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Post by africaone on Oct 2, 2021 6:25:23 GMT
center right with ?
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Post by africaone on May 23, 2021 9:22:01 GMT
I believe you all but my purpose was that the forum is to teach to everybody espcially those not speciliasied in all groups .... I really don't know anything about the parents and I had appreciated to learn more, not just a photo that means nothing for us that are ignorant.
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Post by africaone on May 22, 2021 9:30:30 GMT
is it possible to know a little more ? parents ... I see also a DNA analysis has been made, then which kinbd of analaysis and results ? ... thanks, Thierry Parents are stated on the first label. for people that doesn't know parnassius, it is not very useful and what about genetic ? mitochondrail dna just indicates one parent, not both.
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Post by africaone on May 21, 2021 15:05:19 GMT
is it possible to know a little more ? parents ... I see also a DNA analysis has been made, then which kinbd of analaysis and results ? ... thanks, Thierry
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Post by africaone on Apr 11, 2021 16:41:26 GMT
Adam, I have serious doubt about this publication 1- Storace refered clearly to chrapkowskyi (a endemic from Kenya) and to bromius (sensu auctorum) and compared it as a race of the first. I then doubt it is the same as what authors called so long time "bromius". There is a species flying in this area that fits with Storace's descriptioon and that is not "bromius sensu auctorum". 2- remain the type designation completely ambigous. He cited "paratypes 134 mm, 1 f" and the only "type" he cited from Bukussu is not relied clearly to chrapkowskoides or ab. opposita (even it seems logical relied to opposita, a doubt remains). In the beginning of the text he indicated a male from Kitale and one can interprete this as the type of the new taxon chrapkowskoides. Without the type under hand it seems hazardous to know which specimen Storace choose as type and as he designated paratypes it is highly probable he had in mind a particular specimen for his type (may he wrote it on the label). TL kalinzu is nowhere in the original publication then if it is really, that means someone examined the type and that it is indicated on the label. It is important as the bromius sensu auctorum probably fly together the second species in that area. A nightmare without the type. As yet said in this forum, Papilio's study in Africa is a real mess particularly this group of Papilio. Kocak's acts, even being legal but unfair, doesn't help to clarify the situation. nerminae is a good species as probably nurettini is also.
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Post by africaone on Apr 10, 2021 20:20:00 GMT
To clarify your question further, nominate Papilio bromius is correctly known as Papilio chrapkowskoides nurettini. Adam. many thanks Adam ...
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Post by africaone on Apr 10, 2021 17:01:14 GMT
Adam What is the last updated name that must be applied to the ex "bromius" from Central africa ? nurettini, chrapkowskoides or something else ? thanks, Thierry
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