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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 3, 2018 17:12:56 GMT
Seyer, 1976 (Mitt. ent. Ges. Basel, 26(3)) on p. 113 treats chinensis as an "Untergruppe" (subgroup) of Papilio machaon. He included subspecies chinensis, schantugensis, sylviae[sic], taliensis, archias and verityi in this subgroup. Note that Seyer often added an 'e' to the end of names which end in -a. These are unjustified emendations and are invalid names. Lee, C. L., 1980 (Acta entomologica Sinica, 23(4): 427-430 - in Chinese) regarded Chinese machaon as consisting of 3 species P. machaon, P. annae and P. verityi. He included most subspecies in machaon, but separated the high altitude subspecies (which he treated as P. annae but is often known as sikkimensis, a junior homonym replaced by hookeri Gaonkar, 1999) and P. verityi from Yunnan. This arrangement needs further study, but it is possible that hookeri does belong to a separate species to machaon. The latest work on the group is Bauer & Frankenbach, Butterflies of the World: 45. Sturm, R.: Illustrated Checklist of Papilio machaon - group, Iphiclides podalirius, and Papilio alexanor - Papilionidae XVI. 12 pp., 32 col. plates. 2017. available from www.insecta.de, Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 3, 2018 16:18:34 GMT
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 3, 2018 16:12:06 GMT
It is some sort of beetle, for your information.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 3, 2018 16:10:30 GMT
adrianyzermanWe DO NOT appreciate expletives here, thank you. Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 3, 2018 11:26:15 GMT
The area you marked on the map is the whole of NW Yunnan, which includes 3 river valleys with ~3000m mountain ranges running north to south between each river, in the west is Nujiang (= Salween River), middle Lancang (= Mekong) and the eastern river is the Yangtze. All of them are very close to each other but most butterflies cannot cross from one river system to the next because the mountains are too high for them to pass. Here's a map: Your specimen came from somewhere near Zhongdian, which is another name for Deqen (=Deqing), well inside the range of venchuanus. The type locality of chinensis is "Szechwan: Traku, Venchuah" and the replacement name venchuanus automatically takes the same type locality. Hubei is further east down the Yangtze river, but the same subspecies is found all the way through the Yangtze river system. Because ssp. verityi occurs further south it can cross through the lower passes between Mekong and Salween river systems in southern Yunnan, and also spread westward through Burma, which is why the same subspecies occurs through both river systems, but the Yangtze system is separated as it bends north of the mountains in central Yunnan. I hope this clarifies it. Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 2, 2018 20:55:35 GMT
I guess that the coordinates are approximate, as it's highly unlikely that both longitude and latitude would end in "00.0", but yes, that would place it well inside the Yangtze watershed (north and east of the river) so my identification should stand, both on georgaphical distribution and appearance.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 2, 2018 15:41:32 GMT
This is ssp. venchuanus Moonen, 1984 which is the replacement name for chinensis Eller, 1936 which is a junior homonym (Verity's 1907 name was infrasubspecific and thus unavailable, but Eller treated it as a ssp. and made the name available with his authorship and date of publication).
The name taliensis Eller, 1939 is a nomen nudum applicable to ssp. verityi Fruhstorfer, 1907, but this specimen does not look like verityi, which always has a double black chevron over a large red anal eyespot. Ssp. venchuanus only has a double chevron in the 'summer' form.
The locality is Deqing with a Q not G (usually known as Deqen) and is in the Yangtze watershed where venchuanus is found. Ssp. verityi is found from the Red River and Mekong watersheds westards through Burma as far as Manipur in India.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 2, 2018 15:19:26 GMT
Ah, yes, it's a seasonally quite common Cossid moth, which we also have here in Thailand. I know it as Xyleutes mineus but it is possible the name has changed in the 30 years since the publication I use to identify it was published.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 2, 2018 13:37:25 GMT
Chuck,
I sent you one.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jun 1, 2018 16:56:33 GMT
Welcome to the forum. Hopefully it will provide the inspiration and knowledge you are looking for. Please feel free to post in current threads, or start your own thread in the relevant section.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 31, 2018 19:31:01 GMT
Influential not being equivalent to great I’m surprised nobody mentioned Bernie. Bernard D'Abrera was certainly influential, at least in so far as his books were accepted by CITES as identification guides to butterflies. The less said about the personal opinions he expressed in his works the better. Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 31, 2018 16:36:40 GMT
Also please tell us where in the world your house is, it makes a big difference to the chances of actually being able to identify it accurately.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 30, 2018 7:45:55 GMT
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 29, 2018 11:17:07 GMT
I guess there aren't many entomologists as well known as you in Malta, Jonathan.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 29, 2018 8:45:41 GMT
and Brother Pinratana seemed also quite influencal for Thailand ? Indeed Brother Amnuay Pinratana was a very important amateur entomologist, whereas Dr. Jarujin was a professional entomologist and zoologist. I thought it worth mentioning Jarujin because almost everyone here will not have heard of him. In Thailand people generally use first names - for instance you cannot look for a phone number using only a family name in the phone book, people are listed in first name order. Of course, for scientific citation family names should be used. Bro. Amnuay, who was a Catholic lay priest and headmaster of St. Gabriel's College, Bangkok, was not only a Lepidopterist but collaborated with foreign experts to produce books on Lucanidae, Cicindelidae, Odonata and Cicadas of Thailand. Adam.
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