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Post by Paul K on Oct 12, 2016 2:55:32 GMT
Hm, so many Papilios and African butterflies specialist , no one could ID those most likely common species
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 12, 2016 3:58:18 GMT
Thanks for the reminder - I meant to comment on this, but I've been out most of the day. Left specimen is either P. gallienus or mechowi. They're difficult to separate; my guess is gallienus. Right looks like the species long known as P. bromius, which is unfortunately not valid and must be called P. chrapkowskoides, the oldest valid name for this species. Even more unfortunate is that the former nominate bromius (which yours appears to be) is now chrapkowskoides nurettini. Don't blame me for this. It's very common from Bangui (CAR), which is a likely location for your specimen; your gallienus/mechowi has a good chance of being from there too.
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Post by Paul K on Oct 12, 2016 4:19:26 GMT
Thanks for the reminder - I meant to comment on this, but I've been out most of the day. Left specimen is either P. gallienus or mechowi. They're difficult to separate; my guess is gallienus. Right looks like the species long known as P. bromius, which is unfortunately not valid and must be called P. chrapkowskoides, the oldest valid name for this species. Even more unfortunate is that the former nominate bromius (which yours appears to be) is now chrapkowskoides nurettini. Don't blame me for this. It's very common from Bangui (CAR), which is a likely location for your specimen; your gallienus/mechowi has a good chance of being from there too. Thank you Denny for ID. Well I wasn't expecting anything rare as I purchesed them in one of the pet store more than 30 years ago which was caring a very little choice of specimens ( no internet, no eBay, no chance to leave communist country for exotic collecting trip, besides who would have cash for that those days, it was not possible to exchange dollar in the bank-controlled by government and on the black market for one dollar one had to work all day ). Even if they are not rare they are special to me as the part of my childhood and one of first exotic butterflies which I have cherished. Paul
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Post by mcheki on Oct 12, 2016 12:09:00 GMT
Thanks for the reminder - I meant to comment on this, but I've been out most of the day. Left specimen is either P. gallienus or mechowi. They're difficult to separate; my guess is gallienus. Right looks like the species long known as P. bromius, which is unfortunately not valid and must be called P. chrapkowskoides, the oldest valid name for this species. Even more unfortunate is that the former nominate bromius (which yours appears to be) is now chrapkowskoides nurettini. Don't blame me for this. It's very common from Bangui (CAR), which is a likely location for your specimen; your gallienus/mechowi has a good chance of being from there too. I'm just back too and these are my thoughts exactly. I have the same problem with gallienus/ mechowi and have found that gallienus is by far the most common of the two. The undersides of the blue banded papilios can be very helpful in determining them, especially in the males.
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Post by mcheki on Oct 12, 2016 16:09:52 GMT
Another rarity that is seldom seen is Belenois anomala (Butler, 1881). This species is endemic to Socotra (Yemen), a small island off the north eastern coast of Africa. I am indebted to the late Dr Canu for sending this pair to me many years ago
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Post by cabintom on Oct 13, 2016 15:01:23 GMT
I,ve got those two specimens 30 years ago yet back in Poland. I would be glad if someone can properly identify them for me as there are few similar looking species. No data at all. I just got my internet working again, so sorry I'm late to this too... For the first specimen, here are the notes I've made to differentiate mechowi/gallienus: - First, the males of P. gallienus feature androconial scales along the inner edge of the FW band.
- Second, the FW discal spots of P. gallienus in spaces 2, 3, and sometimes 4, are more pointed or "dentate" (I think that's the word) along the outer edge. Some authors also say the outer edge of the FW band is much cleaner in P. mechowi, though I don't see much of a difference.
- Third, in P. mechowi the FW discal spot in space 8 is usually more elongated than in P. gallienus. This is more noticeable in a series.
- Fourth, and this is mostly according to Berger in Papillons du Zaire, on the HW verso in P. gallienus the post discal area is clearly two-toned, whereas in P. mechowi this tends to be more of a gradient.
- Lastly, it seems that generally, at least at the eastern extremity of its range, P. gallienus is found in lower altitude forest (sub-1000m?), while P. mechowi is found higher up. This means that within the D.R.C. P. gallienus is found within the "cuvette centrale", whereas P. mechowi is found in the surrounding areas (such as in the Kivus and the Ituri Forest).
The specimen on the right does look like P. chrapkowskoides. The verso forewings should have a line of fuzzy white markings on them, if not this P. sosia.
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 14, 2016 7:59:08 GMT
Just wondering if any members might have a drawer or two of Colotis to share with us. I have long admired these dainty little gems of Africa but, have not a one to my name ! Only the pictures in books I have. African material generally has never been all that plentiful or available here in America (with the exception of the more common species of charaxes, salamis, and papilio).
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Post by mcheki on Oct 14, 2016 15:22:27 GMT
Just wondering if any members might have a drawer or two of Colotis to share with us. I have long admired these dainty little gems of Africa but, have not a one to my name ! Only the pictures in books I have. African material generally has never been all that plentiful or available here in America (with the exception of the more common species of charaxes, salamis, and papilio).
I will attempt to post my drawers of the Colotis that I have, probably slowly as photobucket is not being helpful! There is quite a range of species and overall some are quite different to the accepted colitis pattern. they occur throughout Africa, but usually in drier locations.
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Post by mcheki on Oct 14, 2016 15:25:36 GMT
Here is the second drawer of Colotis.
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Post by mcheki on Oct 14, 2016 15:41:34 GMT
Another try! Here is the third drawer
and the fourth
and the fifth as well.
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Post by mcheki on Oct 14, 2016 15:44:00 GMT
Now for the last two.
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Post by Paul K on Oct 14, 2016 15:52:48 GMT
Wow! what a beautiful genus. Make me want to collect them. Thank you for sharing.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 14, 2016 16:21:04 GMT
Marvelous! I'm afraid these put mine to shame.
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Post by africaone on Oct 14, 2016 16:47:55 GMT
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Post by cabintom on Oct 14, 2016 18:45:21 GMT
What awesome drawers! Though they make me sad that I've only managed to snag a single specimen from the genus.
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