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Post by Paul K on Mar 29, 2016 3:09:20 GMT
Wow! This moth doesn't even look like a Sphingid sp. from that picture. I guess only head and antenna give the clue. Who ever bought it must be a specialist in this group in this region and too bad for buyer there was another one spoted this gem . I pretty sure the seller will have opened eye on more of those in the future.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 29, 2016 8:15:31 GMT
I sent the link to an expert and he thinks it might not be a Sphingid, even though it does look rather like one. His guess is probably Thyrididae.
Adam.
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Post by nomihoudai on Mar 29, 2016 9:13:54 GMT
Thyrididae antennae don't curl? In any case I assume the buyer knows why he spent so much money on it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 11:42:25 GMT
"That easier said that done if you are the only bidder and if you know what to offer. I guess I really don't like ebay buying, I never had and never will, even if this means my collection grows at a snail's pace. There are lots of reliable established dealers out there. You might pay more, but you know what your getting"
I agree Peter, the internet buying side of the hobby fills me with dismay at times and for this reason I limit my buying to two or three sellers who I know personally and trust as I have dealt with them for years, it means my collection will grow slower, which does not bother me in the slightest as there is not that much that I desire that I don't have already have. I find that buying at insect fairs is a much superior way of obtaining specimens and making good friends at the same time, one can see what is on offer "in the flesh", ask the seller questions, in most cases the specimens come already set with good data and you are not involved in a bidding war that can sometimes get silly. Most of us are not rich men by any stretch and funds are not unlimited, so purchases have to be limited to budget. In the case of this specimen the buyer is obviously a specialist and if he feels that the price is a fair one then good for him.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 29, 2016 11:54:11 GMT
Hopefully the buyer will be happy with it.
The expert said that the "rather sinuous forewing costa and general shape" suggest Thyrididae, however to me the antennae do look very Sphingid-like. I will post if I get any more information about it. The two black spots on the abdomen are rather distinctive.
Adam.
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Post by nomad on Mar 29, 2016 12:09:42 GMT
If the expert does not know which species this is, then perhaps another specialist bought it. People certainly wanted it badly.
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Post by Paul K on Mar 29, 2016 12:13:42 GMT
The head, antenna and long proboscis definitely looks like Sphingid. I would be guessing that it must be somewhat related to Macroglossinae. The specimen lack the long scales on the tip of abdomen typical for this subfamily, but it is A- so it could be gone.
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Post by nomad on Mar 29, 2016 12:16:32 GMT
I find that buying at insect fairs is a much superior way of obtaining specimens and making good friends at the same time, one can see what is on offer "in the flesh", ask the seller questions, in most cases the specimens come already set with good data and you are not involved in a bidding war that can sometimes get silly. I am all for that, that is why I will be in Modena, Juvisy and the AES this year The fairs are the fun part, it is not always about acquisition. Meeting your fellow entomologists to have a chat is good and you can view the vendors specimens and then buy them if you want. or in my case usually photograph them
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 29, 2016 12:17:01 GMT
If the expert does not know which species this is, then perhaps another specialist bought it. People certainly wanted it badly.[/quote ] I see that 4 different bidders put a bid above 100 USD for this damaged moth, see here : offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252328832046&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565 So, many people have understood it was a "special" one. That is the beauty of ebay, in the past, this Vietnamese seller would have sold it less than 1 USD to a reseller who may have thrown it to the bin...
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Post by nomad on Mar 29, 2016 12:30:29 GMT
I am sure that many collectors find ebay very useful, especially the collector that is the owner of this rare moth and those that use ebay on a regular basis find Collectors Secret an excellent service. I guess we all have our own preferences where we like to purchase our bugs
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 29, 2016 12:47:09 GMT
Being specialised in Delias and missing only few specimens, I will buy the Delias I need on whatever websites : ebay, classic insect dealers, japanese auctions, Paris auctions, insect fairs, private collectors...
Fact is that 95% of the Delias I buy are coming from ebay from local Asian sellers + some European dealers who have contacts with Detani or who are selling old collections online. I have even found some rarities on ebay like Delias hemianops, Delias mira excelsa, Delias flavissima. Some of them at right prices, some of them unidentified at low prices.
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Post by nomad on Mar 29, 2016 12:51:43 GMT
who have contacts with Detani or who are selling old collections online. Why does not Detani sell himself by post or online??
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Post by nomad on Mar 29, 2016 12:52:50 GMT
Delias and missing only few specimens, You lucky fellow.
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 29, 2016 12:54:16 GMT
Being Japanese and living in Bali, he doesn't have Indonesian export permits + visitors come regularly to his shop so he doesn't have to worry about making hundreds of parcels every week (which is time-consuming and very boring).
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Post by Paul K on Mar 29, 2016 13:00:23 GMT
If the expert does not know which species this is, then perhaps another specialist bought it. People certainly wanted it badly.[/quote ] I see that 4 different bidders put a bid above 100 USD for this damaged moth, see here : offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252328832046&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565 So, many people have understood it was a "special" one. That is the beauty of ebay, in the past, this Vietnamese seller would have sold it less than 1 USD to a reseller who may have thrown it to the bin... Hm, I don't really understand eBay . Why bidder a***a bid $231.00 and bid him self again $711.00 ? Can someone explain that to me as I have never purchased anything on eBay Paul
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