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Post by hewi on Jul 29, 2020 9:12:55 GMT
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Post by trehopr1 on Jul 29, 2020 20:14:28 GMT
I concur with radusho... The female also has water staining on its wings.
A likely older pair from the mid-late 60s or 1970s.
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Post by Paul K on Jul 29, 2020 20:30:11 GMT
The price is for a paper, after you may upgrade for perfect ex pupa specimen.
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Post by Paul K on Jul 29, 2020 20:36:11 GMT
I concur with radusho... The female also has water staining on its wings. A likely older pair from the mid-late 60s or 1970s. This is an older pair collect wild before CITES so they must come from ‘60 and early ‘70 before 1975. |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 29, 2020 21:10:24 GMT
Possibly a lot older - some of the damage suggests that they may have been shot down.
It is worth bearing in mind that anyone outside the EU buying this item would need to apply for a new CITES appendix 1 import permit even though the pair has a certificate with it. The seller would also need to apply for an export permit based on the current document.
Adam.
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Post by hewi on Jul 29, 2020 21:10:39 GMT
The price is for a paper, after you may upgrade for perfect ex pupa specimen. I'm afraid that's not possible. The CITES certification contains a photo of the specimens that cannot be exchanged |
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Post by Paul K on Jul 30, 2020 1:51:27 GMT
The price is for a paper, after you may upgrade for perfect ex pupa specimen. I'm afraid that's not possible. The CITES certification contains a photo of the specimens that cannot be exchanged It does now? I purchased few Ornithoptera in the past and none of the CITES included the photos of the specimen. Although they were all appendix 2 specimen not 1. |
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Post by aureus on Jul 30, 2020 8:24:35 GMT
Hi ! I´m offering this pair.
The pair comes from an old german collection and has a very special registrated CITES, registrated here at the german CITES office. The pre-owner was very clever to registrate this pair before the protection of this specie was made. Becasue of this reason, it was now possible to got this special CITES and the permission to sell/trade this pair for me.
The CITES for this pair is a "world-wide trade" CITES, which allow to trade this pair world wide. So it is not a "national german permission" to possess this pair (for Germany or EU). It is a wold wide trade CITES. The pair can be sold all over the world / is free for international trade. And this is very special for this pair and caused in my opinion the special value !
Of course, if somebody outside EU will buy this pair, I will made official export-permits for this pair. So he will recive 100% valid papers for this special pair.
Because of the special protection of this pair, the CITES has a very special /unique form: each example is pictured in the original CITES paper. The pictures can´t be removed.
Beside of this, it is also forbidden to reset or re-prepare the pair. If this would be done, the apperance of the pair would maybe changed in a fundamental way and it could not be 100% clearly identify again on this papers. Then the papers would be unvalid.
Some people ask me alreaddy if I can try to re-prepare the pair or change some of the reparations. But becasue of this special CITES, it is not possible.
If somebody is interessted in this pair and have any questions, feel free to contact me du eBay or due my homepage-shop. JENS
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Post by nomad on Aug 2, 2020 17:47:23 GMT
A likely older pair from the mid-late 60s or 1970s. Many older pairs are all you are going to find unless you buy from a certain's counties Black Market. Many of Meek's specimens collected in the early part of the 19th century are in A1 condition, and I have seen many 1960s/1970s pairs in A1 condition, all bred. |
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Post by trehopr1 on Aug 2, 2020 19:23:03 GMT
I agree with you Nomad indeed ! By the way -- its good to see you again as it seems you have ben absent for a while...
Anyway, I suppose I should have said it looked like somebodies "cast-off" lesser appealing pair from their collection. Condition is everything in personal appeal so, naturally collectors who have these ALWAYS keep the best pairs for themselves. Lesser appealing pairs are still worth something so it is these kinds of pairs which tend to get "privately' exchanged amongst collectors.
I have seen a fair number of really pristine pairs in private hands. The museum where I once worked didn't even have a single pair. A collector whom I've known since the late 1980's showed me 6 fabulous pristine "pairs" which he owned + 3 more (spare) super males (back in 1991). He has since added to these holdings via cash or specimen exchange since that time !
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Post by Adam Cotton on Aug 2, 2020 19:24:49 GMT
Ray Straatman brought a significant number of A1 bred pairs to Europe in the 1970s and basically gave them away to protest the planned listing on CITES appendix 1. Many of the bred pairs in collections now came from him.
This particular pair seems older, and as I said appears to have patched holes in the wings that could be from shotgun pellets.
Adam.
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Post by nomad on Aug 21, 2020 8:23:22 GMT
Its does seem strange that Straatman was giving away alexandrae in the 70s free, when in the 70s he got asked to leave New Guinea for illegally Selling Birdwings.
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