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Post by deliasfanatic on Feb 1, 2015 18:54:52 GMT
It was in the Ebner collection for quite some time; I assume that someone had it prior to that. It was later sold to another collector, from whom I obtained it around 1990.
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Post by nomad on Feb 1, 2015 18:57:21 GMT
Well, I afraid you may have to update the extinction date of E. iphitas - A French collector has this one, it was caught November 20th 1977 at Rio, Brazil. Sorry about the small image.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Feb 1, 2015 19:02:15 GMT
If true, that's quite amazing. However, I'd immediately have to question its provenance and whether the data is indeed correct...iphitas is well known as being extinct, and it seems that news would have been widespread if it had been rediscovered, even decades ago.
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Post by nomad on Feb 1, 2015 19:10:22 GMT
This specimen is owned by Jacques Porteneuve, he sent me the image and data, I believe he has a very large South American Papilionidae collection, I believe Olivier went to view it.
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Post by nomad on Feb 1, 2015 19:16:14 GMT
I thought you might have E.iphitas deliasfanatic, but I was not sure. You must be very pleased to own one and in such good condition.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Feb 1, 2015 19:17:37 GMT
I had assumed as much, seeing the photo - but unless Jacques obtained it from a trustworthy contact who captured it personally, one can't really be sure that its data is correct. Once a specimen passes through multiple hands, it becomes harder to place trust in extraordinary data...
I've read previously that extensive searches have been made for iphitas in the Rio area, all without success.
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 1, 2015 19:29:27 GMT
Not only Danny has one, but an A1 one ! Danny, you are an esthet !
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 1, 2015 19:31:25 GMT
Jacques being member of this forum ("papalidar"), he will be able to tell us more about this specimen.
I had indeed the pleasure to see Jacques' splendid collection.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Feb 1, 2015 19:31:34 GMT
It actually has an old repair near the lower margin of right HW...but that's unimportant.
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Post by nomad on Feb 1, 2015 19:37:29 GMT
I have sent Jacques an email and have asked for information on his lovely specimen.
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Post by valentin073 on Feb 1, 2015 19:47:31 GMT
Libythea cinyras Trimen, 1866 was endemic from Mauritius, but the 'extinct' status has to be confirmed ! I hope it will be a Lazarus taxon, cause I want to know more about this awesome and unknown species
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 1, 2015 20:10:09 GMT
Thank you Valentin for letting me know the existence of this rare species I didn't know.
Here is a picture I found on the web. And an interesting link about his story : tolweb.org/Libythea_cinyras/76307
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Post by bobw on Feb 1, 2015 23:28:06 GMT
Colias ponteni has been searched for decades and is not a tropical species like the others (tropical species can easily hide themselves in hard-to-penetrate forests or in the canopy. I personnaly doubt C. ponteni has been overlooked. Colias ponteni has not been seen since 1852 but the big problem is that nobody knows where it was collected. On both occasions it was collected the data is considered to be wrong. It's generally considered that it must have come from Tierra del Fuego but there have been several expeditions down that way to look for it, all without success. One Japanese collector was so obsessed with it he went there three times looking for it!
There's no proof that it's extinct but it's still there I would have thought somebody would have found it by now. It's so distinctive it could hardly have been overlooked.
Bob
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Post by nomad on Feb 2, 2015 6:13:19 GMT
I think Papilio lampsacus may be extinct, it has not been collected or seen for such a long time. The same is probably true of Urania sloanus, I wonder, how long does a species like those, that I have mentioned, remain unseen before they are declared officially extinct. I guess it may be true that some may not wish to believe that they have gone for good.
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Post by xavm (Xavier) on Feb 2, 2015 9:46:15 GMT
Libythea cinyras Trimen, 1866 was endemic from Mauritius, but the 'extinct' status has to be confirmed ! I hope it will be a Lazarus taxon, cause I want to know more about this awesome and unknown species I do not think that anything needs to be confirmed as only 1 specimen (type) do exist in a very poor condition. Interesting is Boloria pales youngi an extinct ssp. from TAIWAN -thousands of km from the nearest place for this species, very unique. A HUGE ammount of moths from Hawaii is extinct (ca 25 species!!) Everybody will notice when a big colourful butterfly becomes extinct, but small moths are overlooked and it is a tragedy... For Europe of course Pieris wollastoni is extinct
Boloria pales youngi is 99.99% a mis-labelling. This species can not have been collected in TW.
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