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Post by crino on Jan 22, 2018 21:23:41 GMT
Hello! here are more unlabelled and damaged specimens from an old Parides/Mimoides drawer. Please help me with the following ones: Thank you!
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Post by deliasfanatic on Jan 22, 2018 22:05:43 GMT
Several of the Parides (particularly Andean species) are especially close mimics, and even with good data they can be difficult to separate. Without data, those species/subspecies may not be possible to determine, but here are my thoughts:
Col. 1 #1: P. zacynthus polymetus - male (E. Brasil) - no question about this one. The blue patch and its shape are diagnostic. #2: probably P. echemon ergeteles - female
Col. 2 #1: judging from FW green patch shape, I think it's a subspecies of P. anchises - probably drucei - male (Peru and Ecuador) #2: probably P. anchises thelios - male (central Amazon area) #3: probably P. panares erythrus - male (Colombia, IIRC)
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Post by jmg on Jan 23, 2018 1:33:50 GMT
Difficult to identify without collecting data ! For the numbers, see the photo ! Note that Mimoides species have short and curved antennae when Parides show long antennae. 1 - Seems to be Parides anchises koenigi Racheli, 1989, male, from Tingo Maria area. see : parides.genus.free.fr/anch16.html2. Could be Parides eurimedes mylotes (Bates, 1861), female, from Central America, Costa Rica check : parides.genus.free.fr/euri3.html3. Parides zacynthus polymetus (Godart, 1819), male, from Brazil (Mata atlântica). Check : parides.genus.free.fr/zacy2.html4. Parides iphidamas calogyna (Rothschild & Jordan, 1906), male, Ecuador or Colombia (Choco) or Parides iphidamas ayabacensis (Joicey & Talbot, 1918), male, from Choco (Ecuador and Peru). May be also Parides erithalion subspecies (Boisduval, 1836). From where is the sample parides.genus.free.fr/iphi6.htmlparides.genus.free.fr/iphi7.htmlparides.genus.free.fr/erith.htmlMay be also a Parides anchises (Linnaeus, 1758) subspecies parides.genus.free.fr/anch.htmlDifficult to be more acurate without the location and a ventral face photo. 5. Probably Parides vertumnus vertumnus (Cramer, 1779), female, from Guyanas or Northern Brazil. parides.genus.free.fr/vert1.html6. Parides neophilus ecbolius (Rothschild & Jordan, 1906), male, Amazonia in Brazil. parides.genus.free.fr/neo4.html7. ?? Parides neophilus (Geyer, [1837]), subspecies female ?? Or Mimoides ? parides.genus.free.fr/neo.htmlProbably Parides echemon ergeteles (Hübner, [1813]), female. parides.genus.free.fr/ech2.html8. Parides vertumnus (Cramer, 1779) male ; subspecies bogotanus or cutora ? parides.genus.free.fr/vert.html9. Parides anchises (Linnaeus, 1758), male, subspecies drucei ? parides.genus.free.fr/anch.html10. Probably Parides neophilus olivencius (Bates, 1861), female. parides.genus.free.fr/neo7.html
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Post by deliasfanatic on Jan 23, 2018 5:16:11 GMT
Aha! I didn't notice that your photo also scrolls to the right! I saw only the 5 specimens on the left side.
I agree with jmg's additional determinations for the 5 specimens on the right side. A few additional thoughts:
Col. 1 #2 cannot be "Mimoides" (Eurytides); it's definitely a female Parides. Note the red edges on the HW (between the black lobes), which occurs only within one group of Parides. P. neophilus, along with echemon, are in this correct (red-edged) group of Parides.
Col. 2 #2 is a ssp of anchises (closest match is thelios) - the combination of FW and HW patches (and their shape) is distinct. It's definitely not P. iphidamas (wrong shape).
Col. 2 #3 is definitely not P. vertumnus - the shape is too squat, and the HW red patch is not the correct shape. I believe it almost certainly panares, and probably panares erythrus.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 23, 2018 9:00:34 GMT
There are definitely no Eurytides (Mimoides) among these specimens, they are all Parides species.
Danny's Col. 1 #2 (JMG's #7) seems to be a female of Parides echemon, close to ergeteles. Note the strong scallopping of the hindwing margins. In the group of species with red fringe to the hindwing margins this is most highly developed in Parides echemon.
Adam.
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Post by crino on Jan 25, 2018 19:58:19 GMT
Many thanks to the experts
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