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Post by neominois on Jun 1, 2017 2:43:24 GMT
Hello! I have more Pieridae that I need conformation. Thanks much! 401: Bali, 402: Bali, 403: Sulawesi 404: East Java, 405: Kalimantan, 406: Kalimantan 407: Timor, 408: Java, 409: Sumba  |
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Post by Ed on Jun 1, 2017 10:53:59 GMT
401 and 402 look like Delias oraia bratana female 403 looks like a male.
Ed.
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Post by exoticinsects on Jun 1, 2017 16:10:53 GMT
Here they are, someone correct me if there is a mistake.
401, 402: D. oraia bratana females
403: D. zebuda male
404: D. aurantiaca male
405, 406: D. ninus males
407: D. lemoulti male
408: Prioneris autothisbe autothisbe male
409: D. fasciata male
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Post by deliasfanatic on Jun 1, 2017 16:53:46 GMT
I'll have a look tonight - no time right now!
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Post by deliasfanatic on Jun 1, 2017 22:39:39 GMT
exoticinsects' IDs are all correct except: 405 = henningia pandemia 406 is ninus, but not from Borneo. Looks like ninus alluviorum, which is from Sumatra; didn't you have another one similarly mislabelled? Also, 404 is indeed aurantiaca, but it's definitely mislabelled since it's endemic to Sumatra. I'm seeing a pattern here.  |
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Post by neominois on Jun 1, 2017 23:23:26 GMT
Thanks again.
I'm seeing a pattern here as well. I thank you for the information!!!
They are good specimens but have a few labeling mistakes. Out of 500 I ordered, only a handful seem incorrect. I feel that's acceptable.
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Post by exoticinsects on Jun 2, 2017 1:49:14 GMT
D. aurantiaca does occur in Java, in east Java more specifically so the data makes sense.
Maybe you are confusing with another species?
Btw, are you sure on D. henningia for 405. It seems henningia only occurs in Northern Borneo, not the Indonesian part (Kalimantan). The wing pattern looks different as well.
, B
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Post by neominois on Jun 2, 2017 2:59:53 GMT
Deliasfanatic, This is the specimen in question from before. Data says it is from Java, you said Sumatra You identified it as Delias aurantiaca.  |
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Post by deliasfanatic on Jun 2, 2017 3:04:03 GMT
Oops - yes, you're right - aurantiaca = Java. That's what I get for going from (bad) memory.
No reason to think that henningia can't extend into Kalimantan; old records are mostly for Sabah (British North Borneo) and Sarawak for most species overall, with little collection in the now-Indonesian part. However, taking a closer look, I think that the comparison with 406 threw me off. The latter is definitely ninus, but definitely not from Borneo. #405 does have a slightly broader red band than henningia usually has, and the broad black HW marginal areas apply to both species. Recto needs to be seen to give a positive answer; ninus always has red on the HW recto, and others in the group never do.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Jun 2, 2017 3:04:41 GMT
Deliasfanatic, This is the specimen in question from before. Data says it is from Java, you said Sumatra You identified it as Delias aurantiaca. Yes, Java is indeed correct. Same bad memory last time. At least it's consistent |
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Post by neominois on Jun 2, 2017 3:23:28 GMT
I'l post a recto #405 when it is off the spreading board.
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Post by exoticinsects on Jun 2, 2017 4:18:01 GMT
You are right henningia could extent into Kalimantan. I just assumed because of the location. The main reason I thought it (405) was ninus is because of the yellow markings on the underside of the hindwing. In D. henningia they seem interrupted, in ninus they aren't. A picture of the upperside will help. Always nice to see Indonesian leps on the forum |
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