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Post by nomad on Dec 11, 2015 14:03:13 GMT
I guess with many, knowledge is as great as the specimen, or having a specimen of note leads you into further study that is why that piece of paper that is placed on the pin, is so important. Of course without the beauty there would not be much butterfly collecting, but butterflies are just a part of entomology, there are many other insect orders that are just as important to those that study them.
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Post by nomad on Dec 11, 2015 14:54:21 GMT
Entomology is a vast subject, there is plenty of room for traditional forums and facebook groups. As long as your are enjoying your Entomology that is the main thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 13:20:47 GMT
I find facebook useful because the interaction is more instantaneous than it is on here, I have posted many times on here with little or no comment whatsoever and I feel a lot of the time as if all the effort of taking pictures, of the specimen and in many cases the historic label a bit of a waste of time really where as on the facebook pages there is usually a vibrant and healthy conversation that ensues almost at once. I also feel on here that there are many bystanders who never post anything at all or very rarely but just make the odd comment on other peoples posts and it can feel like a few of us are doing all the work. Of course this forum will always have it's place but I feel we have this amazing technology now to interact and we should embrace it, I for one don't want to remain in the dark ages, digital photography, emails and yes even facebook have all served to greatly enhance this hobby and community and long may it continue.
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Post by nomad on Dec 12, 2015 14:37:20 GMT
Some good points here by our member duncan, whose large collection is full of historic specimens. I am sure that the members here enjoy seeing those specimens and data labels. Whatever Aladdin's Cave you have found, that source has had a wide variety of historics collected by many of the greats. Yes, some facebook groups are a close knit group and that is great.
However that is not always so, recently, I have seen a couple of entomological facebook groups descend into heated argument and name calling, when collectors meet the conservationists-photographers. Usually ending with the collectors withdrawing from that group. You will not get that here since we are all collectors. I do also see many facebook posts with no comments but I guess you may get more likes. I do agree that we need far more posts from our members, don't just be a bystander join in, I sure that all the members here have much to contribute.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 14:56:44 GMT
Yes Peter lol, I am usually one of those vocally defending our hobby and leaving the group, I limit my activities now to those groups that have been set up for collectors only. The point I was making about the taking of pictures is that it's time consuming, sometimes seperating a historic label that has been under the specimen for over a centuary is a great risk and it seems a bit of a waste of time if there is say 400 views and no comments, what is the point in that?
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Post by nomad on Dec 12, 2015 15:10:20 GMT
I can only say that dunc, I for one enjoy seeing your specimens and data labels and in future I hope you get more comments. Your recent Kallima jacksoni were stunning examples and I expect your are mighty chuffed with them. .
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Post by nomad on Dec 12, 2015 15:13:01 GMT
Adam was amazed at K. jacksoni colours.
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Post by wollastoni on Dec 12, 2015 15:17:26 GMT
Well among the 400 views, there may be someone who will get the "entomology virus" thanks to your post ! Facebook groups are fun, but the information disappears quickly, it's more a place to chat. Insect Forums have deeper and more scientific contents Both are great to "meet" entomologists. I am glad using both. Facebook doesn't belong to entomologists though and some anti-collectors can cause some problems indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 15:38:55 GMT
True Olivier, that is why I have seperated myself from the do gooders. A pair of jacksoni a couple of weeks ago sold on ebay for £490, these 2 pairs cost £90, true one of the females has no antenna but not too bothered. Peter, next year I have a British cyaniris semiargus coming that is around 160 years old, I will post when I get it but removing the label may not be an option.
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Post by nomad on Dec 12, 2015 17:38:41 GMT
Gosh, then jacksoni is quite a rarity and a very beautiful one, I can see why it is highly desirable. dunc you got a real bargain. Bargains are not so easy to get today. Congrats on your new British Mazarine Blue ( C.semiargus) Yes be careful but I could not help but look at the data. I guess the antennae accident with your other specimen is not so easily forgotten. Please post an image of your specimen when it arrives, I will look forward to that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 21:28:57 GMT
Many good points Nomad and I agree with you wholeheartedly ! I do however, feel offended that there are those who find this forum and Insectnet QUOTE: boringly "old school"..... I'm sorry but, that's a rather brazen comment in my book ! Kind of a low blow I'd say. Well, as you well pointed out the larger majority of those on entomological facebooks are doing little more than posting loads of exhausting pictures with few returns --- other than the token one word comment or no comment at all. All sounds rather SHALLOW to me. I say, if you truely desire in depth topics (and associated discussions), well researched articles, and the dissemination of knowledge gained thru EXPERIANCE --- than this is THE place to be ! If you feel left out for some reason; than bring a topic to the table and contribute to the forum. We're all ears.... Photo's are all very nice and greatly appreciated. I happen to think they get a LOT MORE mileage HERE than you will ever find on Facebook due to the lively questions, comments, and discussions nearly always brought up by THIS experienced AND educated "old school" crowd. Do settle down trehopr1... This is a Forum... I was expressing my personal opinion. This is what people should be allowed to do on a Forum. I don't think my comments warranted a reply complete with upper case inserts, saying that I offended you, for pity sake. You also say my simple comment was 'rather brazen' and 'a low blow' !! Get over it... Your response only justifies my 'old school' label... Me, I'm off to Facebook to have some adult interaction...
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Post by wollastoni on Dec 12, 2015 23:06:10 GMT
Baz is a good old friend from the old Delias lover school, I am sure that his comment was not negative to the ICF. He was just saying that Proboards is not as simple to use as facebook, which is true.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 2:03:53 GMT
Definitely not as simple, Olivier... I was just standing up for Facebook because of the standard negative comments from many non-FB members on here...
I still claim that this forum does not compare with the interaction on some FB sites. An example is my own group 'Indo-Pacific Moths'. This morning a discussion was started about the Cephonodes Hawkmoths in Queensland. Now some 3 hours later there have been 7 photographs, and 47 comments from 8 different members, from a total membership of 22 people... Fascinating informative discussion with no involvement of ego or harsh comment... and it's still going...
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Post by trehopr1 on Dec 13, 2015 6:20:11 GMT
I like this forum an awful lot. I visit it most every day. I very much enjoy the photo's, comments, articles, and camaraderie of the "brethren of the net". And by the way, I'm not close minded to other avenues where Entomology is enjoyed and shared. I've personally never made a negative or disparaging remark against Facebook followers prior to the comments made by Bazhammer. If you enjoy that group than more power to you. If you want to play on both sides of the fence between (Facebook and traditional forums) than again enjoy yourself and rock on! But, I promise you that you will offend somebody when you bandy about terms like boring and old school in an accusative manner. If I come across as a thin-skinned individual when it comes to negative comments made or perceived it is because I CARE about this forum, it's future, and it's evolution. Originally, the term gentlemen was used early on for this forum. Understandably, it was soon changed. Despite that, I still like to think that ALL those who wish to comment or contribute their free speech perogative would do so in a respectful manner and not a disparaging one. Respectfully, Trehopr1.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 7:07:01 GMT
I like this forum an awful lot. I visit it most every day. I very much enjoy the photo's, comments, articles, and camaraderie of the "brethren of the net". And by the way, I'm not close minded to other avenues where Entomology is enjoyed and shared. I've personally never made a negative or disparaging remark against Facebook followers prior to the comments made by Bazhammer. If you enjoy that group than more power to you. If you want to play on both sides of the fence between (Facebook and traditional forums) than again enjoy yourself and rock on! But, I promise you that you will offend somebody when you bandy about terms like boring and old school in an accusative manner. If I come across as a thin-skinned individual when it comes to negative comments made or perceived it is because I CARE about this forum, it's future, and it's evolution. Originally, the term gentlemen was used early on for this forum. Understandably, it was soon changed. Despite that, I still like to think that ALL those who wish to comment or contribute their free speech perogative would do so in a respectful manner and not a disparaging one. Respectfully, Trehopr1. Whether you are attacking my post with disrespect or respect, I really don't care... As I said "get over it" You are making mountains out of molehills. If you carry on spouting political correctness you will only come across as very silly, and yes, as you say, "thin-skinned" ...Do have a good day...
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