My sincere THANK YOU Nomad for taking the time from your trip to photograph some of the many wonders at Juvisy. Awesome, Awesome,Awesome. Hope you still managed to fill your box(s) and shopped till you dropped ! How lucky. Man, that first whole drawer which you showed us featuring Euploea unibrunnea was smokin' hot on the prices. You could have scalded yourself just getting any too close to the drawer without even opening it. Wow ! Also, thanks for getting pic's of the other sorted Insects, Orthoptera, and Stichopthalma all of which are something different to see. The Parnassius seemed fairly staggering in price (at least the tough ones) and the charaxes looked very well done and nicely presented. The 2nd and 3rd paleartic moth drawers you showed were incredibly well laid out and labelled. What artistic presentation....
Can anyone out there please tell me why Papilio himeros ssp.bahia from Brazil has an asking price of 4000 euros on a male and 6000 euros on a female ? Is the seller out of their mind ? I thought that all Brazilian wildlife was protected --- untouchable these days. And why in the world would anyone even want a species that looks so similar to cresphontes or aristodemus etc. ? I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say...but, any specimen with an asking price like that had better "knock me outta' my socks" with it's beauty AND it better NOT have ANY pin holes in the wings to show it was lazily or hastily prepared.
Post by deliasfanatic on Sept 28, 2015 1:40:45 GMT
Yes, it's very expensive, but it's a species that is missing from nearly all collections. MUCH rarer than the others that you mention. "Why would anyone want it when it's similar to cresphontes, etc"....well, "why would anyone want O. meridionalis when it's similar to O. paradisea" would be a similar question. It's a completely different species, regardless of how similar or how different to others it may be.
I guess one would have to have an almost obscene passion for papilio's to be willing to pay such a heavy price on any one species. The price alone speaks volumes about its apparent rarity as compared to the common fodder similarities I mentioned. However, the seller did have 3 available for purchase. And at that they looked to be reasonably fresh (minus the pin holes). It may be a rare sight in collections but, maybe more so because of a greatly exaggerated asking price of dealers. Insects in general are a renewable resource year after year with very few exceptions. And while there will always be abberations, gynandromorphs, outsized examples, natural hybrids and other assorted anomalies which are true one off's and more so worth a more commanding price; the rest will largely be back again next year and so on. Maybe showing just one example of this apparently restricted species would have done its asking price more justice rather than showing three.
Post by deliasfanatic on Sept 28, 2015 3:45:55 GMT
Papilionidae have traditionally been among the most popular and highly-priced groups, so great rarities will be very expensive. The perfect example is P. elephenor; almost legendary in its rarity status, and not collected in many decades. The few that I've seen come up have been in the $15-20,000 range, and they always find a buyer...and one certainly can't call it a beauty! It's one of the least attractive Papilionidae species in my opinion, yet that counts for little.
I agree with you that the seller you reference would be wise to show only one specimen at a time, regardless of the number that he may actually have
Thank you for your kind comments, it is a pleasure to share my Juvisy images and there is more to come yet. I guess for the real rarities that are very hard to obtain by both the dealers and collectors, there is a difference. The seller wants the best possible price for his rarity and the collector wants the cheapest price he can afford. I guess the real rarities in lepidoptera are a fraction of what the best car, painting or stamps would cost.
Those expensive Parnassius were new, either subspecies and were from remote Asian mountains. The expedition to get them would not have been cheap and I believe were collected by the seller. Their condition was perfect. Perhaps our resident Parnassius specialists would like to name them and tell us more about them- species - subspecies, localities, the collector etc. I know very little about that group.