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Post by Adam Cotton on May 22, 2018 15:36:42 GMT
I meant to comment on the last photo several days ago but forgot.
Firstly, I think that the subspecies of sarpedon should be luctatius rather than ssp. sarpedon which occurs in China.
Can you possibly post an underside photo of the second specimen from the bottom of column 1. It's a pity you didn't open the androconial folds of the eurypylus group specimens, as the androconial scales inside are different for each species.
You don't seem to have G. evemon, it is one of the commonest species in the Malay peninsula, but the Indochinese subspecies albociliatus is rather local, and so far has not been recorded from Thailand at all. It is found in NW and E Laos and also in Shan States and southern Yunnan. There are several species that skirt around Thailand, but I suspect that albociliatus may be present in Nan Province along the areas bordering NW Laos.
Adam.
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Post by Paul K on May 22, 2018 23:44:33 GMT
Thai ssp. of G.sarpedon is treated differently in each book. I based my determination on Inayoshi's site where G.sarpedon ssp.sarpedon should inhabits all Indochina. In Kimura's book it is ssp.corbeti in mainland and luctatius in peninsula. In Ek-Amnuay it is also ssp.sarpedon and luctatius and corbeti are synonyms. Should I change the labels to be correct? Indeed I don't have G.evemon specimen. I didn't collect too much in Malay peninsula as yet and I didn't find it in mainland Thailand or Laos. As you suggested ssp.albociliatus may occur in central Laos too ( Savannakhet Province ) but I couldn't stay there long enough in March to find out, perhaps some other time. This is the photo of underside of the specimen Col.1 second from the bottom.
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Post by Paul K on May 23, 2018 0:02:16 GMT
Drawer #9 Family: Papilionidae Subfamily: Papilioninae Tribe: Leptocircini Genus: Graphium Col.1 Graphium xenocles kephisos (Fruhstorfer,1902), males. Col.2 ( from bottom ) Graphium xenocles lindos (Fruhstorfer,1902) 2 males, Graphium xenocles kephisos (Fruhstorfer,1902) 2 males, Col.3 Graphium macareus burmensis Moonen,1984, males Col.4 Graphium macareus indochinensis (Fruhstorfer,1901), 4 males, 2 females Col.5 and 6 Graphium megarus megapenthes (Fruhstorfer,1902), males
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 23, 2018 9:15:22 GMT
Thai ssp. of G.sarpedon is treated differently in each book. I based my determination on Inayoshi's site where G.sarpedon ssp.sarpedon should inhabits all Indochina. In Kimura's book it is ssp.corbeti in mainland and luctatius in peninsula. In Ek-Amnuay it is also ssp.sarpedon and luctatius and corbeti are synonyms. Should I change the labels to be correct? No don't change the labels now, the classification of sarpedon may well be updated in a while. However, Chinese sarpedon is different to Indochinese, although there are intermediates in N Vietnam and eastern Laos. Page & Treadaway (2013) treat Indochinese sarpedon as ssp. luctatius, and that is the latest work on the sarpedon group, although it seems some of their classification may not be accurate. While Inayoshi's website is very useful, the classification of many taxa listed there has not been updated for a long time. The name corbeti Toxopeus, 1951 is a replacement name for the homonym melas Fruhstorfer, 1907 (type locality: "Tonkin; Tenasserim"). The type of luctatius Fruhstorfer, 1907 is "Nord-Borneo", and there does not seem to be any consistent difference between Borneo and Indochinese sarpedon. Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 23, 2018 9:17:09 GMT
This is the photo of underside of the specimen Col.1 second from the bottom. I can confirm that the identification of this specimen is correct. The base of the hindwing upperside is rather unusual, but the underside is obviously doson. Adam.
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Post by Paul K on Jun 28, 2018 18:06:29 GMT
Drawer#11 Family: PieridaeSubfamily: PierinaeGenus: Delias, Prioneris, Ixias, HebomoiaCol.1 (from bottom) Delias hyparete indica (Wallace,1867) males, Common in all Thailand, all habitats. Col.2 Delias hyparete indica (Wallace,1867) female Delias hyparete metarete Butler,[1879] 3 males, 3 females, also common subspecies in peninsular Thailand Col.3 Delias agostina agostina (Hewitson,[1852]) 6 males, female, common in mountainous areas Col.4 Prioneris thestylis thestylis (Doubleday,1842) 5 males, common in mountainous areas Col.5 Ixias pyrene yunnanensis Fruhstorfer,1902 male, locally uncommon, far north Thailand and Laos. Ixias pyrene verna H.Druce,1874 male, 4 females, locally common in all Indochina Col.6 Ixias pyrene verna H.Druce,1874 6 males, 2 females Col.7 Hebomoia glaucippe glaucippe (Linnaeus,1758) 5 males, female, common in all Indochina
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Post by trehopr1 on Jun 29, 2018 4:48:59 GMT
Wow Paul, your really pulling together some fine drawers of Thai material from your stays there ! Not many collectors get to go to an exotic locale and collect it repeatedly for a thorough overview of what may be found. Fantastic opportunity. Just beautiful work from preparation, labels, and species identifications. Think of how much you have learned and how far you have come since your first trip there. Exhilarating, to say the least I am sure !
I only once met a fellow who was able to do the same. He has (what is probably) the most comprehensive collection of Dominican Republic butterflies in the U.S. He made a connection with someone out there in the mid-80's and visited there once a year for 10 years running. He would stay 2 to 3 weeks at a time. Because he strictly likes butterflies only; his collection is just killer to look upon.
Keep up the great posts....
P.S. Are those Hebomoia as difficult to catch as say the large species of Giant Sulphurs (Phoebis)?
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Post by Paul K on Jun 29, 2018 15:55:50 GMT
Hebomoia is difficult to catch when fly. Males are coming to bait ( urine ) frequently in the right season, but never seen them in large numbers, two, three at the time. Females and males are quite easy to catch on flowers while feeding, but the numbers of females seem to be much lower than males which of course only mislead observation as males and females are at equal numbers for most of the species.
Paul
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Post by Ed on Jul 1, 2018 3:20:10 GMT
While I was in Indonesia I found them rather easy to catch, I caught about 15 in half an hour. It was early morning and I was netting them in a shady area as they landed quite often. It is true that they come to flowers but I have yet to see one puddling.
It is great to see your Thai specimens Paul! I cant wait to get started on spreading my material.
Ed.
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Post by nomad on Jul 1, 2018 8:59:02 GMT
Super specimens and curation. Very nice to see, thanks for sharing.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jul 1, 2018 11:02:41 GMT
but I have yet to see one puddling Strangely this species only seems to puddle at certain times of the year, but when they do I have seen several puddling together. It is actually seasonally common in my garden. Males love to examine the Mussaenda flowers in case there is a female sitting among them. They are spectacular when they soar around the bushes, big white flying blobs with scarlet wingtips. Adam.
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Post by Ed on Jul 1, 2018 11:08:12 GMT
but I have yet to see one puddling Strangely this species only seems to puddle at certain times of the year, but when they do I have seen several puddling together. It is actually seasonally common in my garden. Males love to examine the Mussaenda flowers in case there is a female sitting among them. They are spectacular when they soar around the bushes, big white flying blobs with scarlet wingtips. Adam. Interesting to hear this, Ive only ever caught 1 male specimen in Thailand in a location on the way to your house. All my other specimens were caught elsewere.
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Post by Ed on Jul 1, 2018 11:10:12 GMT
Strangely this species only seems to puddle at certain times of the year, but when they do I have seen several puddling together. It is actually seasonally common in my garden. Males love to examine the Mussaenda flowers in case there is a female sitting among them. They are spectacular when they soar around the bushes, big white flying blobs with scarlet wingtips. Adam. Interesting to hear this, Ive only ever caught 1 male specimen in Thailand in a location on the way to your house. All my other specimens were caught elsewere. Actually I did catch one other specimen by smacking it out of the air with my shirt at a waterfall near Pujen hideaway a year or two back, so that makes 2 male specimens from Thailand.
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Post by Paul K on Jul 1, 2018 12:43:18 GMT
Interesting to hear this, Ive only ever caught 1 male specimen in Thailand in a location on the way to your house. All my other specimens were caught elsewere. Actually I did catch one other specimen by smacking it out of the air with my shirt at a waterfall near Pujen hideaway a year or two back, so that makes 2 male specimens from Thailand. Hebomoia was quite common in Punjen Hideaway’s garden when I stayed there in August two years ago. I remember local catchers were often net them for sale ( they were getting paid 10cents per one in good condition ).
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Post by Ed on Jul 2, 2018 13:06:12 GMT
Actually I did catch one other specimen by smacking it out of the air with my shirt at a waterfall near Pujen hideaway a year or two back, so that makes 2 male specimens from Thailand. Hebomoia was quite common in Punjen Hideaway’s garden when I stayed there in August two years ago. I remember local catchers were often net them for sale ( they were getting paid 10cents per one in good condition ). I was there in February, also 2 years ago.
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