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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 7, 2015 1:47:20 GMT
Wolf, nice to see you PIN your show material in a drawer at least. It is well prepared, easily popped in + out, and more importantly it shows that you RESPECT and place a real value on your specimens. This is different from those who have to first push their specimens off the pin to compress it into a cracker box Riker while at the same time busting off all the legs and potentially snapping antennae as the lid closes (since that great fiberfill matting) does not "give" much. Of coarse,many aesthetic collectors probably would'nt know such minor details since they probably don't even spread the very specimens they show on that well lit wall in their home or office. Oh' there I go with that negativity streak. Stop. Dunc, I also mentioned in an above post that common easily replaced material should be shown if anything. I too shudder at real prizes hung on walls. But hey, how many times have you seen in the parking lot of some big store a brand new looking vehicle parked in a front row space where all the other 10 year old cars are parked. And there it sits just asking for door dings, basket biffs, rubs, and back-up and drive away dents. Respect for anything is a 50/50 thing. A person has it or they don't.
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Post by cabintom on Sept 7, 2015 6:20:05 GMT
What is the data on the Graphium antiphates in the Vietnam frame? This made me chuckle.
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Post by Paul K on Sept 7, 2015 7:51:19 GMT
www.amazon.com/Clear-Protection-Window-Film-Wide/dp/B004JAW3KWlink to uv films. This way when you place the drawer on the wall inside sunny room you may save it from fading, well at least slowing it down a lot. Also if I will put one day my drawer on the wall where there is a daylight I will install same film on actual window to have double protection. Installing the film on the inner side of the drawer glass also give some protection in case of cracked or broken glass holding it together and not alowed to shred the specimens below. As per other collectors I wouldn't risk to expose to sunlight very rare specimen unless I have few . Paul
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 9:15:50 GMT
The problem is Trehopr is that I have always had more sense than money, although my wife may not agree with that at times, I have had to sacrifice to buy those long awaited rarities, I can't just go out and buy what I want as I have 5 children, but only one left at home, money has always been tight so I cannot replace my best stuff, as I said before, to me it is madness to expose them in this way. A cheap collection of morpho's can be had for next to nothing, they look great which is what attracts most beginners in the first place and they are likely to stay fresh looking a lot longer than most other stuff.
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Post by wolf on Sept 7, 2015 13:31:52 GMT
Wolf, What is the data on the Graphium antiphates in the Vietnam frame? Adam. Its from Phan Thiet in Binh Thuan province, south in Vietnam. close to sea level. I can give you more specific details in pm if its of interest.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 7, 2015 20:37:49 GMT
Wolf,
I guess it must be a rainy season (European summer) specimen. I was hoping it might be from the far north of Vietnam. If anyone has G. antiphates from northern Vietnam, especially the eastern part near to Guangxi, I would like to see photos of the specimens.
Adam.
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Post by wolf on Sept 7, 2015 20:52:31 GMT
I was there in July, this specimen is from late July. i have one more specimen from Danang area in central Vietnam, which i caught mid July.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Sept 8, 2015 21:45:41 GMT
Yes, as I thought, these are wet season pompilius. I would like to see specimens from near the Guangxi border as these should be the nominate subspecies, even though specimens from the Sapa area are also pompilius.
Adam.
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Post by obiwankenobi55555 on Sept 10, 2015 17:33:25 GMT
Morpho's for me are the ones I would hang for decoration. I agree with you, Morpho butterflies are specific because they have scales with color which reflect light off, they can stay on light for years and color will not shade off. With morpho butterflies I have seen very nice museum frameworks.
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Post by trehopr1 on Sept 10, 2015 19:18:04 GMT
Even among the great Morpho's there are so to speak -- no absolutes. They will last longer than any other lepidopteran. However, they too possess some measure of pigmented colors on their wings (even those with the most blue). Basically, anywhere there is any black present it will fade in no time. What was once TRUELY black won't be that in a year or two. Just take 2 similarly fresh looking specimens and pop one in a frame and the other in a collection box out of light. Then compare at a later time. Maybe many times as the differences between the two will grow greater with time. Those male species with the largest amounts of structural blue are the best candidates for show. Those with greater amounts of blacks, browns, white (as in some species), or white spots present are all very poor choices to frame. They will fade out in probably 3 to 5 years just like anything else (depending on their exposure) be it direct or in-direct sunlight. Females are useless to frame as the greatest percentage of their color is usually pigmented and some of them command stiff prices. Just thought these small but, notable details should be mentioned to the unknowing. The good point though which has been mentioned is that most of the "mostly blue" structural males are readily available and generally affordable. So older faded items are easily replaced at nominal cost. If butterfly artwork is your thing then keep your species choices at low cost and at in-direct light settings.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Sept 11, 2015 0:57:27 GMT
The appearance of the blue areas of male Morphos also changes after long exposure to light. Not the structural scales in themselves, but due to tonality that underlies those areas; when that fades, the shade of blue changes to a lighter, less intense tone. This also happens in many iridescent Papilios, even those that are kept out of light. I have a lot of older Papilio ulysses, for example, many being 25-30 years old. My collection is kept in total darkness, but as is true with all specimens, pigments fade over the years due to natural aging; black becomes duller and more brownish, for example. I've noticed that the blue areas of the old ulysses have, without exception, become lighter and less intense, sometimes having a slight greenish cast, compared to fresh specimens. It's not an attractive change, but unfortunately there's nothing that can be done about it. Age alters us all
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 13:24:31 GMT
The point I was trying to make is that morpho's are cheap, their colours will last longer than most butterflies, they are pretty which will cause the wow factor with beginners, and so what if they do fade over a number of years, for just a miniscule fee they can be replaced, to hang rarities or non replaceable expensive material on the wall, exposed to light is bordering on lunacy and a huge, huge waste.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Sept 11, 2015 13:29:54 GMT
Yes, I agree; I just wanted to point out that they're not immune to fade, so that someone won't expect them to stay "new looking" forever.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 17:19:57 GMT
If you have a look on ebay or even better at insect fairs I would think you could fill a decent sized display case for £30 or less, for that you could get morpho's, maybe a cheap priamus posieden, cheap gloss swallowtails, sasaskia charonda,atlas moths, all big, cheap, replaceable specimens which should be OK for a few years, I know if I were new to collecting these would have the wow factor.
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Post by Paul K on Sept 11, 2015 18:17:33 GMT
I had few Sphinx moths with pink hind wings and some very yellow Pieridae from South America along with black and blue heliconid hanging in small frames in very bright hallway for about 10 years. When I moved out I have not noticed any changes with colours not that I care as those were doubles . When I will go to Canada in November I will check them and compare with same specimens which I keep always in the drawers. I just wonder how much they faded over that period of time. Perhaps if I will remember I will post pictures just out of curiosity.
Paul
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