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Post by mygos on Jan 10, 2017 19:36:15 GMT
I would like to see the Cymothoe herminia when you have time ... Here you go! One of my favourite species. Too bad about the strange tear at the base of the FW... though it leaves me wondering how it might have happened? Thank you Tom. Definitely Cymothoe herminia herminia A+, Michel
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Post by mcheki on Jan 11, 2017 12:59:42 GMT
Your picture of the Falcuna specimen has disappeared which was one that I was going to try and help you to identify. In the meantime I have narrowed down the Pentila to possibly P umangiana Aurivillius. There seems to be several subspecies of this and Berger suggests two might be in the Ituri area ssp: umangiana Aurivillius and ssp: connectens Hulstaert, although the latter is listed as south and east of Ituri so this may be your specimen. I have taken a picture of the relevant drawer in my collection which may be of assistance though I do not have a specimen from Kivu. P umangiana is in Column 8.
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Post by mcheki on Jan 11, 2017 13:01:02 GMT
For anyone interested further in this very attractive genus of butterflies this is the second drawer showing further species, again they are all from various countries in Africa.
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Post by mcheki on Jan 11, 2017 13:35:49 GMT
The Falcuna reappeared for a brief time and after a quick look it may be a male of F orientalis bwamba Stempffer and Bennett. See F orientalis orientalis Bethune-Baker in column 3.
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Post by cabintom on Jan 11, 2017 18:11:47 GMT
mcheki I'm not sure why you'd be having difficulty with the Falcuna image, but if you want a longer look at it, it can be found here: i.imgur.com/0Mw1US9.jpgI think your ID is possible (marginal/submarginal HW verso markings are good matches). Though, I do have a specimen of orientalis bwamba from Haut-Uele and the verso HW is not this heavily marked... in fact, it's quite close to kasai or margarita. To be honest, in many ways this new specimen looks to be part way between the two orientalis subspecies... though given their ranges that doesn't quite make sense.
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Post by cabintom on Jan 11, 2017 18:34:10 GMT
I have narrowed down the Pentila to possibly P umangiana Aurivillius. There seems to be several subspecies of this and Berger suggests two might be in the Ituri area ssp: umangiana Aurivillius and ssp: connectens Hulstaert, although the latter is listed as south and east of Ituri so this may be your specimen. You may be on to something with P. umangiana. The verso HW pattern seems to match, while all the other similar species I've looked at have an extra row of black dots. What I find strange is Berger's suggestion that both ssp. umangiana and connectens could be found in close proximity in Ituri. In his plate the nominate is just so lightly marked compares to connectens... it doesn't make sense to me. At any rate, from the picture you've posted and Berger's plate, it would seem to me that the closest (at least visually) is actually ssp. meridionalis. This would be entirely out of range... and would only work if umangiana is actually a couple of different species.
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Post by mcheki on Jan 12, 2017 10:26:35 GMT
mcheki I'm not sure why you'd be having difficulty with the Falcuna image, but if you want a longer look at it, it can be found here: i.imgur.com/0Mw1US9.jpg This morning B aurora, M continua and another one are missing, but the Falcuna photo is present. This situation changes each time I log on, nearly always one or two of this post of yours is absent, Strange!
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Post by mcheki on Jan 12, 2017 10:38:58 GMT
I think your ID is possible (marginal/submarginal HW verso markings are good matches). Though, I do have a specimen of orientalis bwamba from Haut-Uele and the verso HW is not this heavily marked... in fact, it's quite close to kasai or margarita. To be honest, in many ways this new specimen looks to be part way between the two orientalis subspecies... though given their ranges that doesn't quite make sense. There always seems to be a degree of variability in lesser known species probably because fewer specimens are available compared to larger more showy species. As more collecting is carried out in new collecting zones then surely a better picture of what is what will emerge. The latest Revision of Celaenorrhinus is a case in point, and even then there are those who would want to argue that this is not complete! Will we ever know for certain?
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Post by mcheki on Jan 12, 2017 10:42:54 GMT
You may be on to something with P. umangiana. The verso HW pattern seems to match, while all the other similar species I've looked at have an extra row of black dots. What I find strange is Berger's suggestion that both ssp. umangiana and connectens could be found in close proximity in Ituri. In his plate the nominate is just so lightly marked compares to connectens... it doesn't make sense to me. At any rate, from the picture you've posted and Berger's plate, it would seem to me that the closest (at least visually) is actually ssp. meridionalis. This would be entirely out of range... and would only work if umangiana is actually a couple of different species. Berger did not make sense to me either and I agree with you!
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Post by timmsyrj on Jan 12, 2017 14:23:34 GMT
mcheki I'm not sure why you'd be having difficulty with the Falcuna image, but if you want a longer look at it, it can be found here: i.imgur.com/0Mw1US9.jpg This morning B aurora, M continua and another one are missing, but the Falcuna photo is present. This situation changes each time I log on, nearly always one or two of this post of yours is absent, Strange! I have noticed a similar issue with pictures disappearing and re appearing like this too, mcheki, are you using iOS like me? Rich
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Post by mcheki on Jan 12, 2017 17:13:13 GMT
Sorry. I am an oldie and don't know what iOS is. I use Microsoft and a laptop only. James.
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Post by cabintom on Jan 12, 2017 17:24:56 GMT
I have noticed a similar issue with pictures disappearing and re appearing like this too, mcheki, are you using iOS like me? Is it just the recent pictures I've posted, or are you having trouble with photos in general? (I'm wondering if I should go back to smaller pictures...)
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 12, 2017 17:33:10 GMT
Use Google Chrome my friends...
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Post by deliasfanatic on Jan 12, 2017 18:24:31 GMT
Which hosting company are you using for your photos? Not long ago, Photobucket (which I use) had a problem with disappearing photos; I thought that it had cleared up now.
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Post by cabintom on Jan 12, 2017 19:50:41 GMT
Which hosting company are you using for your photos? Not long ago, Photobucket (which I use) had a problem with disappearing photos; I thought that it had cleared up now. Imgur. But I very much doubt it's a problem with imgur, as it was built to support hosting images for one of the most popular forums on the internet (reddit). I suspect the problem is related to the file size of the images... either people's connections are timing out, or not enough time is given for the images to load. But those are just guesses. If anyone has this issue again, could you try hitting "F5" to reload the page from scratch and see if it loads then?
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