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Post by marcingajewski on Jan 9, 2015 14:12:48 GMT
O.victoriae victoriae ex Furtshofer and Ex.zeuner . Interesting thing that Zeuner corrects Furtshofer which wrote this specimen as reginae .
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Post by trehopr1 on Jan 10, 2015 6:47:59 GMT
WOW, that miokensis is UNBELIEVABLE.... It is certainly the wildest color variation of that seldom seen / seldom collected species that I 've seen. I've always considered it THE holy grail of the "Priamus" group due to its rarity in collections as well as it's unique exquisite blue-green coloration. Are there any Birdwing specialists out there who could tell us more about miokensis?
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Post by trehopr1 on Jan 10, 2015 6:52:14 GMT
I was of coarse referring to the 1st miokensis posted on page 2 .
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Post by bicbugs on Feb 3, 2015 22:45:22 GMT
Here is my priamus Enjoy, Alex
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Post by deliasfanatic on Feb 3, 2015 23:55:02 GMT
Glad you've joined us, Alex
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Post by mygos on Feb 4, 2015 7:18:08 GMT
Glad you've joined us, Alex + 1 ! I look forward to see your other gynandros A+, Michel
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 4, 2015 8:28:44 GMT
That's a fairly good priamus Alex ! Welcome here !
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Post by trehopr1 on Mar 10, 2015 23:28:31 GMT
A most unusual Troides minos. India 1949
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Post by nomad on Mar 11, 2015 21:23:26 GMT
Not sure what's happened to that T. minos. On the enlargement looks like you can see flecks of the natural colour on the hindwings. I would like to believe this is natural, but then again. Other views please. Is this your specimen Trehopr 1.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Mar 11, 2015 23:09:36 GMT
"Red" Troides hindwings are a known aberration in other species. They're discussed (and possibly illustrated) in Haugum & Low.
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Post by trehopr1 on Mar 12, 2015 6:51:49 GMT
Nomad, yes it is a specimen of mine. I will get an underside photo of it as well as maybe an angle shot. It looks the same color on the underside. A rich mohagany brown in place of yellow. I didn't notice any yellow flecks you mention. Will have to get the photos this weekend and I'll post them next week. Photo was taken using my son's IPhone 6.
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Post by nomad on Mar 12, 2015 15:35:23 GMT
Troides minos is rarely offered today and only the occasional specimens seem to turn up. As Haugum and Low mentioned these are an naturally occurring aberration, then that's good enough for me. Then Trehopr 1 you have a great prize. The small natural color marks I was referring to, seem to be mostly on top of the left hindwing, perhaps they are just scratches. I have to be honest, I have always believed these red forms were as the result of some kind of chemical, but I am probably wrong. Not being an Ornithoptera aberration collector, my knowledge is very limited. I guess its because I have seen so many fake greens, blues and even, a fake urvillianus gynandromorph turned up on InsectNet .
Yesterday I viewed the series of real melanic Papilio machaon held in the B.M and they are awesome. As it turns out a series that are held by a private collector probably have been dyed to look like the real thing.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 12, 2015 17:31:49 GMT
Yesterday I viewed the series of real melanic Papilio machaon held in the B.M and they are awesome. As it turns out a series that are held by a private collector probably have been dyed to look like the real thing. Sounds like they need an acetone bath to ascertain (acetone? ) the truth. Adam.
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 12, 2015 19:38:55 GMT
Well until I see a live "red" Troides like this one I would have a doubt on this form...
Looks exactly like the reddish yellow of some of my Delias... which is not the fruit of a deliberate human manipulation, but isn't natural neither...
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Post by Adam Cotton on Mar 12, 2015 21:24:25 GMT
I think this colour can be caused by humid conditions in specimen storage. I have seen old Troides specimens that look like this before, but I have never ever seen a single live one of this colour.
Adam.
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