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Post by africaone on May 18, 2015 15:01:38 GMT
here is mine ! I got it for free 3 years ago when I was in Bangui. A seller tried to sale me this antimachus "female" (papered !!), he was very clever as he came at night when the light were off (light is cut most the time there). He probably thought I will not see the fake with a torch light. He didn't deny and offered it for free with a small lot of Charaxes and Papilionidae females (very cheap !) and after I declined his offer of diamonds (there are many there). I set it and I keep it in collection as a "souvenir". What is strange, it is assymetric (it is not a photo effect) ... may be he has cut a gynandro ?
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Post by nomad on May 18, 2015 15:36:18 GMT
and all the female Papilio antimachus stay up in the canopy where they live with the mythical Papilio antizox except the fine specimen in Danny's collection.
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Post by africaone on May 18, 2015 15:57:48 GMT
in the case of my specimen, I always thought that he cut an aberrant specimen (may be a gynandro) (see the cell length and (intact) FW shape to appreciate it) He should have got more money with the original ! completely crazy and stupid .. like it is often the case in Africa
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Post by Paul K on May 18, 2015 15:58:04 GMT
As far as this picture the females are different by FW underside missing white large spots.
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Post by Adam Cotton on May 18, 2015 16:41:15 GMT
Well spotted Paul!
The female pictured in Butterflies of the World part 42, The ABRI Collections I Papilionidae, also does not have white discal spots on the underside of the forewing, and the underside of the bilateral gynandromorph on the same plate differs similarly between the two sides.
Guess what ... the eBay "female" does have these discal white spots, therefore it MUST be a fake.
Adam.
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Post by wollastoni on May 18, 2015 16:52:15 GMT
Well spotted indeed ! Now I am sure Danny is checking the underside of his specimen !
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Post by deliasfanatic on May 18, 2015 16:54:29 GMT
Not necessary, it's definitely genuine and has a real female abdomen
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Post by deliasfanatic on May 18, 2015 17:30:55 GMT
Curiosity got the best of me, and I had to see that mine also has no white spots on the FW verso
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Post by timmsyrj on May 18, 2015 18:36:16 GMT
Fantastic, real, female that is Danny, lucky guy to have one of those in your collection, very well done.
Rich.
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Post by mygos on May 18, 2015 18:36:32 GMT
Beautiful female Danny On the female from ebay you can clearly see (Thanks to africaone) the coastal part of the forewing cut ! I am pretty sure the seller has been fooled by an african seller A+, Michel
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Post by trehopr1 on May 18, 2015 23:29:11 GMT
I love that antimachus female you've got deliasfanatic. For me it ranks as one of my top 5 "holy grails". After all these years it still remains a very "exclusive" item to own as yours. Well done.
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Post by trehopr1 on May 18, 2015 23:34:51 GMT
Would anyone be able to give us a credible figure of how many antimachus females may be out there in collections? Fewer than 30? Just idle curiosity.....
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Post by deliasfanatic on May 18, 2015 23:38:08 GMT
I see at least 1-2 offered "fresh" every year, and surely there are others that I don't see. I'd guess that there are probably at least 100, probably more, but it's just a guess.
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Post by africaone on May 19, 2015 5:38:04 GMT
I just received the answer from the eBay seller, he verified his specimen. He was abused by his provider. He is not happy
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Post by deliasfanatic on May 19, 2015 5:45:08 GMT
That's unfortunate, but at least the Ebay seller is not to blame.
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