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Post by timmsyrj on Apr 5, 2015 18:23:11 GMT
I trust no one on here is daft enough to bid on this, seller is in China, buyer would be in deep s@@t. In the Ornithoptera auction section.
Rich
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 5, 2015 18:40:15 GMT
Surely the seller is in deep s@@t already? I am surprised eBay haven't pulled the auction, as I think they usually do for illegal items.
Adam.
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 5, 2015 18:59:32 GMT
If nobody denounces this ad to ebay, they won't find it. They have no automatic filters for insects.
If someone writes to Ebay, they will delete it.
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Post by Paul K on Apr 6, 2015 7:42:56 GMT
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Post by mantisboy on Apr 6, 2015 11:35:50 GMT
Does not even look like hermeli, look at the underside. I contacted this seller once, just to make sure he knew they were chikae, but he responded asking if I had ever heard of CITES, and that he has to list them as hermeli. However, he does make it very clear that they are from Luzon, so if you know your facts, one can easily tell. |
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Post by Paul K on Apr 6, 2015 13:45:43 GMT
We have now two bidders for Alexadra birdwing .
I hope they will sky jacked the price for it , pay and learn the lesson not to buy illegal specimens .
Paul
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 14:54:48 GMT
We all know as collectors that the CITES protection for 3 of these species is a bit over the top and has very little to do with conservation and that if there was an under the table way of obtaining them at reasonable cost without getting caught then some of us would venture, however, that said, there will almost certainly be less showy species than these that are even rarer in nature that attract no interest whatsoever from CITES because they attract no headlines, but the law is the law and anyone who bids is taking an almighty risk, be warned, it could end in tears.
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Post by Paul K on Apr 6, 2015 17:29:26 GMT
We all know as collectors that the CITES protection for 3 of these species is a bit over the top and has very little to do with conservation and that if there was an under the table way of obtaining them at reasonable cost without getting caught then some of us would venture, however, that said, there will almost certainly be less showy species than these that are even rarer in nature that attract no interest whatsoever from CITES because they attract no headlines, but the law is the law and anyone who bids is taking an almighty risk, be warned, it could end in tears. As far as I know there were plans to move O.alexandrae from appendix 1 to 2 . Therefore farming and legal selling thru CITES would be allowed. I agree that some species are not threatened and sometimes rather common ( some Troides sp. which I have encountered many times in SE Asia ) but still covered by national protection or CITES . Paul |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 17:42:26 GMT
Paul, we have been waiting for years for CITES to do the sensible thing with alexandrae and allow farming of the species for collectors as yet to no avail, hospiton and chikae should never have been CITES 1, a silly move and really rather ridiculous, but they are large, showy, beautiful butterflies and command a lot of attention hence justifying them having protection, but then CITES never did stand for common sense.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Apr 6, 2015 18:38:58 GMT
One problem is also that many Philippine dealers were selling hermeli but actually sending chikae instead. Probably collectors in Luzon had lots of butterflies they couldn't sell, but some dealers decided they could make money selling them as hermeli. Adam. |
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Post by iroki on Apr 6, 2015 19:41:56 GMT
hospiton is CITES 2  |
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Post by timmsyrj on Apr 7, 2015 6:18:40 GMT
hospiton has only recently ( a few months ago ) been down graded to appendix II, doubt there are any legal specimens out there yet, the breeder would have to get licensed first and that won't be done quickly, you know how quickly CITES operate. I can't wait until they do start to breed I'd love some livestock.
Do you think permits would be issued for wild collected specimens? I doubt this would occur, they usually only issue permits for bred stocks either captive reared or ranched, wild collecting permits would be for institutions like museums etc.
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 7, 2015 7:28:54 GMT
Well... hospiton is still protected by the French law.
And I am afraid it is also protected in Italia (if an Italian can confirm this, please do).
So even if hospiton is CITES II, until they are protected by both local laws, I doubt "legal" specimens will be available.
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Post by wollastoni on Apr 7, 2015 14:49:15 GMT
The biggest issue I see with those scams about homerus and alexandrae isn't the stupid seller or the stupid bidders (hope they will all be fined)...
The real issue is that such ads can be used by conversationist movements or CITES to ban the insect trade on Ebay and/or within USA or EU.
So please when you see such ads with CITES 1 species, denounce them to Ebay.
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