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Post by bobw on Feb 27, 2020 17:57:13 GMT
I saw JT today and had a long chat about these books, he's happy that the reviews are being widely disseminated. He has spoken to Ian Johnson a few times but Pemberley are reluctant to remove the books from their listings, maybe they have some sort of vested interest but it won't do their reputation any good. Evidently when NHBS were informed about the quality of the books they had about 10 outstanding orders, they informed the customers and gave them the choice of receiving the book or cancelling the order - they all cancelled.
If anybody is approached by Mr Payne for information - be careful. Evidently he's a very clever chap but a bully who will send very abusive and threatening emails or telephone calls.
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Post by exoticimports on Feb 28, 2020 13:57:25 GMT
I saw JT today and had a long chat about these books, he's happy that the reviews are being widely disseminated. He has spoken to Ian Johnson a few times but Pemberley are reluctant to remove the books from their listings, maybe they have some sort of vested interest but it won't do their reputation any good. Evidently when NHBS were informed about the quality of the books they had about 10 outstanding orders, they informed the customers and gave them the choice of receiving the book or cancelling the order - they all cancelled. If anybody is approached by Mr Payne for information - be careful. Evidently he's a very clever chap but a bully who will send very abusive and threatening emails or telephone calls. Well that’s a challenge I accept! What is his email? Chuck
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Post by bobw on Feb 28, 2020 14:16:14 GMT
I saw JT today and had a long chat about these books, he's happy that the reviews are being widely disseminated. He has spoken to Ian Johnson a few times but Pemberley are reluctant to remove the books from their listings, maybe they have some sort of vested interest but it won't do their reputation any good. Evidently when NHBS were informed about the quality of the books they had about 10 outstanding orders, they informed the customers and gave them the choice of receiving the book or cancelling the order - they all cancelled. If anybody is approached by Mr Payne for information - be careful. Evidently he's a very clever chap but a bully who will send very abusive and threatening emails or telephone calls. Well that’s a challenge I accept! What is his email? Chuck I don't have it, and have no desire to contact him.
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Post by miguel on Apr 13, 2020 15:35:09 GMT
At least two of the books of Mr.Payne are still available in Pemberley Books.
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Post by nomad on Apr 15, 2020 7:07:58 GMT
Another review by John Tennent is available from the Entomologist’s Rec. J. Var. 132 (2020) of Mark Payne's 'The ecology, biogeography and speciation of the butterflies of Cabo Verde', “World natural History Publications”, “The Lake District”, 2019, hardback, 456pp, no ISBN number. Cost £85.
This review was the first to be written, but the second to be published of this book.
If you want to read it, send me an email, or PM with your email unless you have already sent that, and I will let you have this informative review.
Peter.
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Post by bobw on Apr 15, 2020 9:07:55 GMT
I also have the review if you need an alternative source to save overwhelming Nomad.
Bob
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Post by yorky on May 5, 2020 15:55:57 GMT
Have just read JT's reviews of these books, took me quite a while to stop laughing. Not really a lot to recommend them, the author has never visited the places he is writing about, most of the pictures are taken from the internet, his identification skills are hopeless and he rants at anybody who dares to bring him to task, apart from that ........
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Post by exoticimports on May 7, 2020 11:39:37 GMT
JT forwarded to me the reviews by Russell and Tennent on Payne's books, and I must admit to being mortified that Payne's publications are even released to pollute research.
I must admit to being particularly thrilled to find the word "rubbish" employed in a professional publication. In this case, as applied to Payne's books, it is apparently warranted.
Chuck
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Post by bobw on Jan 2, 2021 10:25:58 GMT
JT has just sent me his latest review of a Mark Payne book - a field guide to the butterflies of the Canaries. If anyone wants a copy please PM me.
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Post by jhyatt on Jan 2, 2021 14:40:12 GMT
JT has just sent me his latest review of a Mark Payne book - a field guide to the butterflies of the Canaries. If anyone wants a copy please PM me. I can do the same by e-mail if anyone requests a copy (pdf).
The continued availability of these things through Pemberly makes me wonder if Payne might be a big shareholder of theirs...
jh
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Post by nomad on Jan 3, 2021 11:56:53 GMT
Are Pemberley still selling them, I could find none in a search of their website?
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Post by bobw on Jan 3, 2021 13:41:33 GMT
Are Pemberley still selling them, I could find none in a search of their website? I couldn't find them on the Pemberley website either, maybe they've finally listened to reason. John did tell me that he had to include in the review where to buy the book as it was a requirement of the journal.
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Post by nomad on Jan 3, 2021 14:01:19 GMT
eview where to buy the book as it was a requirement of the journal. That's strange never seen a review before where the reviewer had to state where to actually buy the book. Usually they just give the price etc. As far as Pemberley are concerned, they otherwise are a very good book seller, many of their titles are hard to source elsewhere in the UK. Their service is always fast and efficient, having over the year purchased many books from them.
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Post by yorky on Jan 3, 2021 20:22:59 GMT
Oh dear, having read JT's latest review it seems Mr Payne is about as adept at writing books on butterflies as I would be writing one on open heart surgery.
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Post by nomad on Jan 4, 2021 7:56:40 GMT
Strange that he is continuing to produce them? In spite of the dire reviews one can only suppose that someone is buying them, otherwise why continue to publish. If major European and other specialists withdraw the support it might be harder due to copyright laws to publish more of the projected series in the future. Which begs the question, why in this case did a specialist agree (at least in the first place) to let the author have permissions to use photographs, information etc. Perhaps they had not read the previous reviews on these works, but one would have thought that they were at least aware of these publications?
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