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Post by neominois on Jan 4, 2020 17:47:40 GMT
I am at a loss for these two identifications. Both specimens were collected near Tingo Maria Peru back in June.  Which Parides???   |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 4, 2020 19:49:59 GMT
The " Parides" is Papilio chiansiades chiansiades  Adam. |
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Post by neominois on Jan 4, 2020 22:15:50 GMT
The " Parides" is Papilio chiansiades chiansiades Adam. Thank you Sir! What is the diagnostic character(s) that distinguish Parides from Papilio (Heraclides)? They all seem to blend in together for me in South America. To me, Parides hindwing shape helps to separate them, but in some cases not. What do you think? |
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Post by borearctia on Jan 5, 2020 8:02:43 GMT
First picture: Telchin licus albomaculata (Castniidae)
Andreas
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Post by bobw on Jan 5, 2020 10:48:14 GMT
First picture: Telchin licus albomaculata (Castniidae) Andreas ...and it's a male. |
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Post by bobw on Jan 5, 2020 10:50:20 GMT
The " Parides" is Papilio chiansiades chiansiades Adam. Thank you Sir! What is the diagnostic character(s) that distinguish Parides from Papilio (Heraclides)? They all seem to blend in together for me in South America. To me, Parides hindwing shape helps to separate them, but in some cases not. What do you think? have red spots on the underside of the thorax, Papilio do not. |
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Post by jmg on Jan 5, 2020 18:09:33 GMT
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 5, 2020 20:27:44 GMT
Parides have red spots on the underside of the thorax, Papilio do not. It's not quite as simple as that, because the Papilio anchisiades group species also have red on the thorax, although it is a dull red compared to that of Parides. The red spots on the hindwings of the Papilio anchisiades group are also crimson rather than scarlet and the wing shape is different. Adam. |
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Post by neominois on Jan 6, 2020 2:20:23 GMT
Thanks for all the help. Thanks for the I.D. Telchin. I searched everywhere trying to find that darn thing!
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Post by bobw on Jan 6, 2020 9:55:30 GMT
Parides have red spots on the underside of the thorax, Papilio do not. It's not quite as simple as that, because the Papilio anchisiades group species also have red on the thorax, although it is a dull red compared to that of Parides. The red spots on the hindwings of the Papilio anchisiades group are also crimson rather than scarlet and the wing shape is different. Adam. I bow to Adam's greater knowledge. I was just going from 15 year old memories from when I did a bit of work with these things. |
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Post by bobw on Jan 6, 2020 10:04:42 GMT
Thanks for all the help. Thanks for the I.D. Telchin. I searched everywhere trying to find that darn thing! It's a common day flying moth found through a large part of the Neotropics from Costa Rica to SE Brazil. The larvae are wood borers and in some regions are a major agricultural pest on sugarcane and some other crops. There have been many subspecies described but having studied in excess of 1,000 specimens in my own collection and NHMUK, I can only see any reason to recognise one separate ssp. (probably a full species). |
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