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Post by wollastoni on Nov 10, 2018 13:19:01 GMT
Splendid, splendid, splendid.
Thanks Boris for sharing !
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Post by nomad on Nov 10, 2018 19:07:24 GMT
Super drawers. Thank you for posting.  |
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Post by Ed on Nov 10, 2018 19:08:35 GMT
Nice drawers indeed l!!
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 10, 2018 22:04:35 GMT
Fantastic throughout ! Beautiful preparation as well... Gotta love P. ulysses for its variety of subspecies and stunning color.
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Post by Ed on Nov 12, 2018 20:33:10 GMT
Superb specimens!
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 13, 2018 5:43:23 GMT
Would you have any Carribbean material to show us?
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Post by mcheki on Nov 13, 2018 13:16:01 GMT
hello everyone! thanks for feedback! lets continue with some african papilionidae. missing p.hesperus from sudan a lot. Here is a quick photo of some Papilio hesperus sudana to cheer you up. They all come from the Agoro Forest near Lamwa in north Uganda.
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Post by mcheki on Nov 13, 2018 15:23:24 GMT
Yes. I have just checked my P phorcas and the two P phorcas sudanicola are generally smaller than other phorcas subspecies as is also the case comparing the P hesperus sudana against other hesperus subspecies.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 14, 2018 5:30:47 GMT
I especially love the Caribbean swallowtails as I have been to that region several times. And you sure have achieved getting some of the very best ! Superb indeed. Thank you for sharing these with all of us.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 14, 2018 20:27:23 GMT
Simply lovely... I find it amazing how many different subspecies have been attributed to the various gloss papilio's. I do not specialize on papilio's but, if I did I think it would be very daunting a task trying to achieve say 75% of the known subspecies of just the Achillides alone. I have heard that P. ulysses alone has something around 16 named subspecies.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 14, 2018 21:14:02 GMT
I also like your manner of fully displaying your specimens for maximum appreciation ! I too do this with my own collection... I could never see the point of "shingled" specimens in a private collection. That seems too much to me like "hoarding"; and less on appreciation. If there are those who claim it is done for space reasons then I say save your money up and buy another drawer.
When museums shingle their stuff they truely have space considerations. I would also add that they generally see their holdings as research material or as a "lending library of insect life". The appreciation factor is rather mute in such places. I know this to be so because I once worked at a museum for 8 years.
I remember all too well what a nerve it struck with me when some clumsy, un-concerned dolt of a researcher would visit and fumble through the Lepidoptera (pulling specimens or putting them back) and in the process would "bink off antennae" or cause wing damage. Seen it happen more than once and I'd just cringe and think "are you kidding me! "
Hopefully, some museums are more thoughtful of the life's work / interest / passion bestowed upon them by private collectors who sell or donate their holdings.
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Post by cabintom on Nov 16, 2018 4:45:15 GMT
That seems too much to me like "hoarding"; and less on appreciation. If there are those who claim it is done for space reasons then I say save your money up and buy another drawer. When museums shingle their stuff they truely have space considerations. This is a line of thinking that is only accorded to the privileged who have both money and space. I'll give myself as an example in the hopes that you stop so eagerly calling people hoarders when there are often very good reasons for needing to shingle specimens. This is definitely not the first time you've gone out of your way to make this sort of statement. Here in Congo one does not simply "save up money to buy another drawer". Cabinets and drawers don't exist. You have to have your storage boxes practically hand crafted because all the local carpenters have as power tools to work with are basically table saws and belt sanders. There are also the challenges of navigating culture in order to have the work done at a reasonable price and in a timely manner. Second, my salary would have me placed firmly beneath the poverty line if I lived in Canada. True, most things are cheaper here. But skilled labour is not. Buying a custom ordered box means I basically have no personal discretionary money left for the month. So, yes I could "save up my money" for a new box, but one decent day in the forest and that box would easily be filled if I'm not shingling specimens. Third, my apartment consists of 4 small rooms (kitchen, bath, living room/office, bedroom/baby's bedroom). Fortunately, the bedroom closet is pseudo-walk-in and I've taken up the majority of it with my collection. I simply don't have the space for many more boxes. I am looking for a new place... but there's lots to be considered given our context. Fourth, I'm blessed to live in a place, unlike in the U.S.A, that has thousands of different species within a few hundred kilometers. Many of those species are very understudied. Since I appreciate the scientific side of the hobby, I keep many specimens (maybe up to 10 of a species) because (as has happened to me before) there may actually be a second species hidden within the series. I've been able to contribute material of significance to a number of Genus revisions thanks to my "hoarding". I appreciate that you have high standards for your collection, but I don't appreciate the gate-keeping. I also apologize if I've taken your comments to personally. |
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 16, 2018 7:19:45 GMT
Cabintom, I do apologize for having made such a general blanket statement without first weighing all the possibilities. You certainly made some valid points which apply to others as well. I truely appreciate the people in this science and hobby that delve into it scientifically. Folks like yourself and others keep the science moving forward with new ideas and discoveries. Your contributions to ABRI which you have mentioned are substantial scientifically as well as honorable.
I am a hobbyist so my perspective or appreciation leans more toward the "aesthetic" appeal of the specimens, the species, and/or their due care. I will endeavor to be more tactful in my opinions in the future.
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Post by Paul K on Nov 16, 2018 20:28:14 GMT
Hi Boris
Your collection is great and we are all enjoying your drawers.
The way you display/present your specimens is ideal but as Tom ( Cabintom) said it is in many cases very hard or impossible to achieve.
Every each of us would love to have enough space and none of us I believe like shingling specimens.
Please continue to post photos of your Papilio drawers.
Paul
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Post by cabintom on Nov 16, 2018 21:15:01 GMT
Your collection is great and we are all enjoying your drawers. The way you display/present your specimens is ideal but as Tom ( Cabintom) said it is in many cases very hard or impossible to achieve. Every each of us would love to have enough space and none of us I believe like shingling specimens. Thank you. This is well said. |
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