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Post by cabintom on Nov 6, 2018 19:08:44 GMT
I've succeeded in getting one of my coworkers at the boy's shelter hooked on collecting butterflies. I think he enjoys the hunt and getting away from the busyness of the city. Anyways, now when he's planning family visits in some of the more remote villages he also takes a net. Back in August he had a particularly successful trip. Here's some of what he caught. Bebearia (Apectinaria) carshena (Hewitson, 1871) ♂
Cymothoe cyclades (Ward, 1871) ♀
Cymothoe lurida tristis Overlaet, 1952 ♂ Cymothoe orphnina orphnina Karsch, 1894 ♂ Cymothoe aramis schoutedeni Overlaet, 1952 ♀ Protogoniomorpha parhassus (Drury, 1782) ♂ |
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Post by mcheki on Nov 6, 2018 21:55:41 GMT
An interesting selection of species and difficult to obtain subspecies. Brilliant photos as usual. Thank you for showing these.
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Post by xavm (Xavier) on Nov 9, 2018 10:13:33 GMT
Superb, thank you for sharing
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Post by mothylator on Apr 6, 2019 14:35:39 GMT
Cymothoe aramis schoutedeni Overlaet, 1952 ♀ That's an interesting series, and fab pictures. I wondered, what distinguishes C. aramis schoutedeni (Overlaet 1952) from C. distincta kivuensis (Overlaet 1952) females? (I haven't managed to access the original descriptions, if anyone can pm them it would be great). I've acquired a female (attached) which I had thought was the latter, but it looks remarkably like your C. a. shoutedeni image (though somebody's thumbprinted mine). On my specimen, the HW discal orange band is wide enough to include one of the basal pairs of markings, is the moist obvious difference to me. Size might be relevant? Capture data states "North Kivu", location not further specified sadly. FWL=29mm  What distinguishing diagnostic features should I be looking for? |
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Post by mcheki on Apr 6, 2019 15:36:39 GMT
This is a quick response. The photo shows the females of both nominate Cymothoe aramis and nominate Cymothoe distincta. I hope this is of help as the differences are clear and presumably similarly represented in the Kivu subspecies. If I have time to find any Kivu specimens I will post these later.
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Post by mothylator on Apr 6, 2019 18:21:52 GMT
Thanks mcheki.
It looks from the criterion of FW red extension basally (or lack of), then my specimen is probably the same as the OP, and most likely to be aramis schoutedeni, therefore.
If you could post pics of your kivu/ituri specimens at some point, I should be really very grateful.
Andrew
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Post by africaone on Apr 6, 2019 19:34:09 GMT
both Barcode and breedings in Cameroon demonstrate that that is a complex of species around them, and some surely undescribed.
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Post by cabintom on Apr 8, 2019 19:11:55 GMT
I was following Berger in Les Papillons du Zaire. He makes no mention, as far as I can see, of C. distincta kivuensis, and doesn't include Kivu or Ituri in the distribution range for the species. The truth is that I completely ignored the possibility of it not being C. aramis schoutedeni!
Ducarme, in his comprehensive checklist for N. Kivu compiled over 40+ years, also ignores the presence of C. distincta kivuensis. He likely followed Berger for most of his IDs though.
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Post by africaone on Apr 9, 2019 7:56:52 GMT
 that makes a lot of years that Cymothoe lovers are discussing about the aramis/distincta females problem  Amiet published about the problem in Cameroon with breeding results and Barcode also give his piece. Now a specialist is needed to end the work  about kivuensis Overlaet, 1952, did you check the Carcasson's catalogue ? is it a valid name ? (Many Overlaet names hasn't been really published) May be Michel can help has he was involved in the past in such problems ?
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Post by mcheki on Apr 10, 2019 16:05:54 GMT
Thanks mcheki. If you could post pics of your kivu/ituri specimens at some point, I should be really very grateful. Andrew I regret that I can only find a male of C aramis schoutedeni and no females of either subspecies from Kivu. I have a further package of butterflies on its way from “Kivu” but do not know what it will contain. |
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Post by mygos on Apr 10, 2019 19:15:43 GMT
that makes a lot of years that Cymothoe lovers are discussing about the aramis/distincta females problem Amiet published about the problem in Cameroon with breeding results and Barcode also give his piece. Now a specialist is needed to end the work about kivuensis Overlaet, 1952, did you check the Carcasson's catalogue ? is it a valid name ? (Many Overlaet names hasn't been really published) May be Michel can help has he was involved in the past in such problems ? Female Cymothoe aramis schoutedeni is orange/yellow on rear wings as per Cabintom picture and Cymothoe distincta kivuensis is more whitish  Therefore Mothylator female is aramis and all females from Mcheki are distincta A+, Michel |
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Post by mcheki on Apr 11, 2019 12:47:01 GMT
Mygos, I can’t fully agree with you. What about other factors such as other pattern differences and size difference? |
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Post by mygos on Apr 11, 2019 19:36:22 GMT
Mygos, I can’t fully agree with you. What about other factors such as other pattern differences and size difference? You don't have to agree mcheki, this is what we call discussion Size vary a lot with Cymothoe and pattern could be very variable too ! I do not have any more my collection as reference with me, as it is now at ABRI A+, Michel |
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that makes a lot of years that Cymothoe lovers are discussing about the aramis/distincta females problem 
Amiet published about the problem in Cameroon with breeding results and Barcode also give his piece. Now a specialist is needed to end the work 
