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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 6, 2015 20:12:10 GMT
Oop's my oversight Mygos. Thank you nevertheless for your prompt reply !
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Post by exoticimports on Oct 8, 2015 20:31:09 GMT
I had a unique specimen of OV that the green on UNS was uniformly olive drab. I never opened it to see UPS. Does the book show anything like that?
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Post by mygos on Oct 9, 2015 6:04:12 GMT
Hi Exoticimports, What a nice presentation : wellcome on this forum ... I rarely discuss on forums with completely anonymous people A+, Michel
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Post by wollastoni on Oct 9, 2015 7:10:09 GMT
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Post by nomad on Oct 9, 2015 16:39:00 GMT
I had a unique specimen of OV that the green on UNS was uniformly olive drab. I never opened it to see UPS. Does the book show anything like that? Most Ornithoptera victoriae forms are named from their recto surfaces. I am surprised, if you thought you had a rare aberration that you did not take a peek inside. If you had, you might have found something very nice and worth a bit
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Post by wollastoni on Oct 10, 2015 12:26:44 GMT
And here we go... a Russian dealer (V.L.) is already offering on Facebook some scans of it for few dollars. Those people totally ruins the research and the effort of book authors and publishers.
Doesn't motivate me to work on a Delias book.
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Post by Paul K on Oct 10, 2015 13:51:15 GMT
Well... If i want to order that book I have to count about $1000CAD inc. shipping and duty . That is not cheap for the book. I am not trying to say that the book is not worth it but many people simply will not be able to afford it and that's when those " dealers " come to action. Anyway I am sure that the book will sell all copies as it is limited edition.
Paul
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Post by wollastoni on Oct 10, 2015 13:57:54 GMT
You're right Paul. Maybe we can also accept not being able to buy everything.
I cannot afford to buy a Porsche, would I buy a stolen one ? No. Why people don't do the same with entomological books.
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Post by exoticimports on Oct 10, 2015 19:27:23 GMT
Oops...missed that. Thanks, I did an intro. Thanks for the heads-up.
I did not get a chance to open the specimen to see the UPS as I didn't think it was of any urgency- until USFWS stole it.
Chuck
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Post by nomihoudai on Oct 10, 2015 22:17:28 GMT
wollastoni So if you were born in India and not in western Europe you would just accept to not access a majority of knowledge because you don't have the money and are not "worth it"? Genuine research is transmitted for free to those that want to learn. If I had written the book I wouldn't care about scans as long as the printed edition gets sold,... which it probably will as such books are usually never printed in an adequate number.
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Post by Paul K on Oct 11, 2015 2:03:45 GMT
What makes me sick are those people they try to sell scanned pages and make easy money on someone else hard, long work. Make them available for free online will not hurt the publication cause there are enough book lovers and collectors which want actual whole book specimen in the collection instead of loose print out pages.
Paul
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Post by wollastoni on Oct 11, 2015 8:19:14 GMT
nomihoudai > interesting debate. My vision : - research is not a free thing and will never be, or you will block it. Like it or not, but medecine research has made a lot of progress because some companies are earning money with it. If book writers and publishers don't cover their costs, they won't publish anymore. Book reseller will also disappear. - real research discoveries are published in periodicals, not in books. - this Russian guy is richer than us - if you want to make such a book for free (which mean giving more than more than 100000 euros to the community), of course you will become a hero. But we are not all Lord Rothschild - Maybe it is the author/publisher right to fix the price.
I haven't bought this book because it was too expensive for me but I won't buy a digital copy.
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Post by nomad on Oct 11, 2015 8:34:42 GMT
This Russian guy is not interested in providing cheap scans of this book for the less well off people's of this World, he is out to make money for himself . What he is doing is illegal, lets make no bones about it, this is stealing pure and simple. I wonder if that UV priamus he had for sale at an excessive price was going to India, so the less well off collectors could buy it.
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Post by wollastoni on Oct 11, 2015 8:44:08 GMT
Very true I am sure he's also asking my PNG contact how to find alexandrae to offer them to a poor African butterfly lover...
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Post by nomihoudai on Oct 11, 2015 10:23:32 GMT
Ok, time to differentiate, I should have quoted. What I said was only directed towards: Maybe we can also accept not being able to buy everything. I cannot afford to buy a Porsche, would I buy a stolen one ? No. Why people don't do the same with entomological books. With the Russian guy, making money on it is of course not a noble thing to do and illegal. No need to discuss his case. - research is not a free thing and will never be, or you will block it. Like it or not, but medecine research has made a lot of progress because some companies are earning money with it. I never said the research is free, it is transmitted for free. In many countries the open access initiative is taking foot hold and research funded from public funds have to be published under open access. Unfortunately many publications are still not open access as the publisher don't offer the necessary means, but I have never come across any author denying a request for a copy. If book writers and publishers don't cover their costs, they won't publish anymore. Book reseller will also disappear. I really don't want to hijack this thread now with my view on the entomological press with all its oddities. A lot of people here had been looking forward to these books and enjoy them. Enjoy them.
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