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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 21, 2017 8:19:54 GMT
I should have said "... it would be legal IN RUSSIA" at the end of my last post. I very much doubt that Russian law gives two hoots about the laws of other individual countries.
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 21, 2017 9:27:01 GMT
It is against eBay rules, but it is not ILLEGAL. Ebay.de being an American or German company, it is illegal and the seller can face prosecution from American or German justice.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 21, 2017 13:13:46 GMT
Good point, thanks for clarifying that there is actually a theoretical way to prosecute Russian transgressors of CITES laws. Somehow I think it would be very difficult to actually bring the perp to justice though.
The best we could expect would that the seller would be banned from those eBay sites, at least under his current username and e-mail address.
Adam.
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Post by Paul K on Jan 21, 2017 15:06:50 GMT
But this seller is in Russia, and Russia never signed CITES, so for him that's totally legal I like Russia . Beside this pair came from farming as it is A1, try to catch A1 in real life. I highly doubt it was poached but it is illegal anyway to farm and sell by the current international laws. Other birdwings can be farmed and sell but not this one, why? because it is large, beautiful and as long as it is under appendix 1 it can sell for $5000.00 and up! Someone made this law so others can make profit out of this. Paul
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 8:21:34 GMT
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Post by nomad on Feb 6, 2017 16:48:59 GMT
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 6, 2017 20:10:44 GMT
Russia may not technically have signed the CITES convention itself, as its membership is a continuation of that of the Soviet Union which joined in 1976.
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Post by dynastes on Feb 8, 2017 9:16:17 GMT
Russia has signed CITES. But believe me, 99% of CITES insect-species are imported & sold in Russia, Ukraine, and most other countries of the former Soviet Union without any CITES papers, in fact on the black market. A several years ago one very large dealer from Moscow who sells on Ebay, I`ll not call his name, offered me a couple of O.Alexandra. Another dealer from Ukraine, whom I know for 12 years, during this period of time has already sold 3 pair of this species to buyers from Russia and Ukraine. I personally know a collector from the Ukraine, who has pair of O.Alexandra & pair of P.homerus !!. And believe me, the law enforcement agencies in Ukraine, Russia, etc. not interested the sale of insect from CITES - they can not stop the illegal logging, that has to say about trading some butterflies.
And such a situation occurs all over the world. One day I bought on Ebay from a seller from Indonesia a couple O. aesacus. He assured that it has the CITES documents. In fact, in the parcel, I got a color photocopy of the official CITES documents, which has been removed corrector-pencil species name and by the hand with a black ballpoint pen is inscribed the name of the purchased one. Such situation because many collectors and sellers in many countries by the worls do not want to bother with these documents and pay additional taxes for them.
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Post by nomad on Feb 8, 2017 9:29:43 GMT
I doubt if any of the sellers of Cities species on ebay from certain counties have permits, surely those that buy them know this and are quite prepared to take the risk. They will also always be Smugglers, this is just about profit, end of. I wonder what the authors of the new alexandrae book make of all this. Buy the book, money is given to protect the butterfly, Oil Palm put the money up for the book, the situation is a Joke, make no mistake about it, O. alexandrae is heading towards extinction, then those that buy them can covet them even more because the prices will soar, skies the limit.
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Post by jmg on Apr 4, 2017 12:27:20 GMT
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