|
Post by luehdorfia on Nov 22, 2016 18:05:02 GMT
A few months ago I had an oil painting made for Prof. Klaus Rose. I totally forgot to take a picture of it to share it with everyone, so I had to crop it out like this, still I hope you can enjoy it. I had this painting made after a photograph of one of Prof. Rose's specimens, and when looking at the painting, he immediately knew which one it was - not only which ssp, but exactly which specimen it was out of the 70,000 specimens in his collection! Can you guess which exact subspecies this one is? I will send the solution in 24 hours, have fun.
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 22, 2016 18:55:19 GMT
P. stenosemus eleonoreae?
Adam.
|
|
|
Post by nomad on Nov 23, 2016 18:50:32 GMT
Well, only Adam seems to want to try to name it. I know very little about Parnassius but that is a very nice painting.
|
|
|
Post by luehdorfia on Nov 23, 2016 19:23:05 GMT
P. stenosemus eleonoreae? Adam. Yes that's absolutely right! Parnassius stenosemus eleonoreae male, from Pakistan Kashmir, the Holotype. Parnassius stenosemus eleonoreae was discoverd by Vladimir Gurko in 2003 and then described by Prof. Rose and J-C Weiss and dedicated to Prof. Roses wife Eleonore. I am really impressed, stenosemus shows quite a variability, I looked at the whole series of eleonoreae in his collection and the indiviual variability is huge. Adam, do you also collect parnassius?
|
|
|
Post by nomad on Nov 23, 2016 19:49:50 GMT
Top marks to Adam, he certainly knows his Parnassius.
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 23, 2016 20:40:50 GMT
Top marks to Adam, he certainly knows his Parnassius.I give top marks to luehdorfia for such an accurate painting of the very distinctive specimen. After identifying the species it was relatively easy to deduce which subspecies it must be, and I did think that the painting might be of the holotype but there are slight differences between the photo in the OD and the painting so I didn't put that in my reply. Actually the initial identification of the species was the most difficult part because it was impossible to guess the size of the specimen from the painting. Yes I do have a Parnassius collection, since they are Papilionidae, but my collection excludes P. apollo or other CITES species and species protected in Thailand. I don't have anywhere near the 70,000 specimens of Prof. Rose, maybe 2,000 or so in 89 draws and boxes of papered specimens. I'm not sure how many as I haven't counted them and a lot of my specimens are papered. I preferentially tend to spread the groups I am working on, and I haven't had much time to spread Parnassius recently. I must admit they are one of the more fascinating groups of Papilionidae. Actually P. stenosemus is a species that I have very few specimens of, due to the distribution of the species within the area that is generally difficult to obtain specimens from unless you go there yourself. There is also a large amount of confusion as to which subspecies belongs to stenosemus and which to stoliczkanus, as a relatively recent DNA study (Michel et al. 2008) suggest they are very close and need more sampling to assign taxa to individual species. I have a series of stoliczkanus atkinsoni which may actually belong to stenosemus, so I may have more specimens than I currently think. I certainly don't have any eleonoreae. Adam.
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 26, 2016 20:17:45 GMT
My memory is not that good, actually I only have 2 males and 3 females of atkinsoni, but a large series of tenuis. Here are the atkinsoni, which are indeed rather beautiful. They are from Amarnath Cave, 4500m, Kashmir. Adam.
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 26, 2016 20:20:53 GMT
And here's a snapshot of my tenuis draw. These come from several localities, mostly Taglang-la and Nimaling-la. Adam.
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 26, 2016 20:29:18 GMT
It is interesting that in Nepal, both species (stoliczkanus ssp. harutai and stenosemus ssp. nobuko) fly together at the same place called "Tata". Stenosemus nobuko is now considered to be a different species: P. kumaonensis (I have not seen the newest Weiss book so I do not know if there were any changes) Radovan Indeed, Rose & Weiss, 2011 treats kumaonensis as a separate species. Have I missed a subsequent publication by Weiss? (Maybe my memory is failing me again). They also treat atkinsoni as a subspecies of stenosemus, which is useful to know. Adam.
|
|
|
Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 27, 2016 5:26:04 GMT
I am glad you like them. It seems that tenuis is probably just a synonym of nominate stoliczkanus, not that I'm complaining.
Thank you for informing me/us about Parnassiinae of the World vol. 6, I hadn't heard about the publication, which is rather surprising.
Adam.
|
|