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Post by Adam Cotton on Oct 11, 2016 17:33:17 GMT
Re: sanctithomae, I'm showing that the valid name is thomasius. Must check into this... As far as I know the valid name is thomasius Le Cerf, 1924 (Bull. Mus. natnl. Hist. nat. Paris, 30(2): 137). I have no record of the name sanctithomae actualy being published. Do you have a reference? Adam.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 11, 2016 22:41:30 GMT
Marvelous to see a female fernandus - thanks for posting! I have a male, but alas, no female
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Post by mcheki on Oct 12, 2016 12:01:07 GMT
Re: sanctithomae, I'm showing that the valid name is thomasius. Must check into this... As far as I know the valid name is thomasius Le Cerf, 1924 (Bull. Mus. natnl. Hist. nat. Paris, 30(2): 137). I have no record of the name sanctithomae actualy being published. Do you have a reference? Adam. Adam. You are correct in that it is thomasius. It appears that I have left an old label beneath the specimens and not sure of the original thinking behind this. I must have had this information at some time but can not recall the source.
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Post by cabintom on Oct 13, 2016 15:34:49 GMT
For my own personal curiosity, since I've personally collected them, where do Papilio echerioides nioka and P. jacksoni hecqui sit in your lists of rarity? Though I guess those are rare subspecies and not full-fledged species.
Also, I'm reading that G. flavisparsus is now considered ssp. of G. illyris
This is the info Williams has on the species/subspecies:
Graphium (Arisbe) illyris flavisparsus (Fruhstorfer, 1903) Papilio illyris flavisparsus Fruhstorfer, 1903. Stettiner Entomologische Zeitung 64: 359 (359-361). Synonym of Graphium illyris illyris (Hewitson, 1873). Ackery et al., 1995: 163. Graphium flavisparsus (Fruhstorfer, 1903). Canu, 1994: 313. Graphium flavisparsus (Fruhstorfer, 1903). d‟Abrera, 1997: 54. Graphium illyris flavisparsus (Fruhstorfer, 1903). Smith & Vane-Wright, 2001: 554 stat. rev.
Type locality: Equatorial Guinea: “Fernando Po”. Distribution: Equatorial Guinea (Island of Bioko).
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 13, 2016 17:56:31 GMT
Yes, those would qualify as rare ssp, which weren't really covered in the list.
I don't agree that flavisparsus is a ssp of illyris, unless breeding/DNA were to prove otherwise.
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 14, 2016 7:45:12 GMT
Deliasfanatic, do you think it would be possible sometime to show us all a closeup of that fabulous flavisparsus specimen you have ? That species is the "bomb" !
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Post by africaone on Oct 14, 2016 9:53:08 GMT
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Post by africaone on Oct 14, 2016 12:19:04 GMT
Re: sanctithomae, I'm showing that the valid name is thomasius. Must check into this... As far as I know the valid name is thomasius Le Cerf, 1924 (Bull. Mus. natnl. Hist. nat. Paris, 30(2): 137). I have no record of the name sanctithomae actualy being published. Do you have a reference? Adam. the name sanctithomae has been used by Pyrcz, that published on the island (including tropical Lepidoptera (2) 1992 and maybe in Lambillionea 1991, to verify). may be an error made by the cross of Le Cerf (author of thomasius) and inspired by santamarthae J et T and the fact that sanctithomae exist in other genera. or may be is it a label/manuscript name never published by Le Cerf (there are many cases in museums)
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 14, 2016 14:31:59 GMT
I haven't done a new individual photo, but here's a clip from the old photo at 100% size. G flavisparsus by D B, on Flickr
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 15, 2016 6:52:26 GMT
Thank you very much africaone for the link to panzerman's specimen photo ! He always had seriously great specimens and photos from his collection. Also, thank you as well deliasfanatic for the enlargement. My IPad has it's limitations on enlargements so when I tried it was all fuzzy.
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Post by africaone on Oct 15, 2016 10:00:01 GMT
Graphium gudenusi female (RDC), altitude forest endemic, not so common
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Post by teinopalpus on Oct 16, 2016 8:41:00 GMT
Many thanks for rare oportunity to see female of Graphium gudenusi. Of course many females or subspecies are extremelly rare ( Papilio echerioides nioka and P. jacksoni hecqui among them ), but until we were more focused to species or "potential" species level. Anyway if somebody wants to add some pictures of rare subspecies or females I will be more than happy.
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Post by Paul K on Oct 16, 2016 10:02:56 GMT
Many thanks for rare oportunity to see female of Graphium gudenusi. Of course many females or subspecies are extremelly rare ( Papilio echerioides nioka and P. jacksoni hecqui among them ), but until we were more focused to species or "potential" species level. Anyway if somebody wants to add some pictures of rare subspecies or females I will be more than happy. I just want to point to some fresh collectors that females are more or less in the same numbers as males so they are not rarest than males. They are less common in collections as females are more difficult to catch. Paul
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Post by africaone on Oct 16, 2016 11:52:50 GMT
here is a pic from the ex Hecq's collection with some P. jackoni hecqui males (I think there are more in the MRAC Museum collection)
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Post by africaone on Dec 1, 2016 8:20:36 GMT
There are many, and yes, most are Graphium. I'd classify all of these as rare/very rare in collections: G. junodi; policenoides (=nigrescens); flavisparsus; schaffgotschi; levassori; olbrechtsi; abri; aurivilliusi; poggianus; kigoma; deliae; simoni just reading a paper in METAMORPHOSIS VOL. 21, No. 4, 2010 by Gardiner (Additional butterfly records for Zambia and changes in the taxonomic status of a few species) who argumented and downgraded deliae to form of poggianus
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