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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 9, 2016 5:31:49 GMT
I have long heard that there are some mighty rare Papilionidae also native to Africa. Some members on the other forum who had large Papilionid collections mentioned that a few of the really tough ones they lacked in there collections were from Africa. If memory serves the genus graphium I believe was mentioned. There may be others. So, if anybody can mention some of those mythical creatures or even better provide some photo's of something you may own than it would be very kind to show us them !!
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 9, 2016 5:51:39 GMT
There are many, and yes, most are Graphium. I'd classify all of these as rare/very rare in collections:
G. junodi; policenoides (=nigrescens); flavisparsus; schaffgotschi; levassori; olbrechtsi; abri; aurivilliusi; poggianus; kigoma; deliae; simoni
P. arnoldiana
Some of the above are so little-known (e.g. olbrechtsi; aurivilliusi) that their status isn't completely clear; they may be ssp of other species.
As in Asian Papilionidae, I've confined the list to species level, but there are many obscure subspecies that may be equally or even more rare. This would apply to some otherwise common and well-known species such as dardanus (with the ssp figinii and byatti being almost unknown). Various forms of dardanus females can be extremely rare, and as usual, there are taxa in which only the female can be considered rare (various Graphium, P. antimachus, P. zalmoxis, for example).
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Post by africaone on Oct 9, 2016 8:53:39 GMT
by far olbrechtsi, abri and aurivilliusi are in he top, as even hunted they remain unaccessible; the others cited are difficult to obtain but not impossible. I had in the past an olbrechtsi (caught in the beginning 80's at Kindu, that is now in ABRI) and I don't know any more recent catching. G. abri is only known by the 2 type specimen and aurivilliusi by the handful specimens caught last century.
Graphium are really hard to get for some of them. For Papilio it is often a problem to access the locality during the good season.
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Post by mcheki on Oct 9, 2016 15:54:23 GMT
I have long heard that there are some mighty rare Papilionidae also native to Africa. Some members on the other forum who had large Papilionid collections mentioned that a few of the really tough ones they lacked in there collections were from Africa. If memory serves the genus graphium I believe was mentioned. There may be others. So, if anybody can mention some of those mythical creatures or even better provide some photo's of something you may own than it would be very kind to show us them !! After having considered the list put forward by deliasfanatic I can offer photos of five of the species he lists. Four of the Graphium and the Papilio arnoldiana. I have not taken new photos specifically for this post but I have cropped out the relevant specimens from the photos of each of the drawers in my collection. So please accept the poorer quality of the pictures as a result. The G junodi comes from Mozambique and the G schaffgotschi from Zambia. The others will follow.
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Post by mcheki on Oct 9, 2016 15:59:36 GMT
This follow on picture shows G simoni from Central African Republic. Sorry, out of focus!
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 9, 2016 16:00:15 GMT
Very nice indeed! Looking over the list, I have 8 of the Graphium, but no P. arnoldiana; I'll have to get some photos posted.
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Post by mcheki on Oct 9, 2016 16:07:19 GMT
This follow on picture shows G kigoma from Uganda.
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Post by mcheki on Oct 9, 2016 16:09:26 GMT
Last, but not least is Papilio arnoldiana which are from Ethiopia and are quite similar to Papilio cynorta.
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 10, 2016 2:08:58 GMT
Thank you Mcheki for all those wonderful photo's of those rarities. Indeed a treat ! ! And a sincere thanks goes out to deliasfanatic for providing us with that running list of rare Papilio's he mentioned.
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Post by teinopalpus on Oct 10, 2016 7:39:31 GMT
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Post by africaone on Oct 10, 2016 11:01:53 GMT
.... Anyway I would like to mention 2 other african taxons : Papilio chitondensis, .... I had a series of Papilio chitondensis uncluding the female that I published in 2005. here is a pic
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Post by timmsyrj on Oct 10, 2016 12:52:50 GMT
.... Anyway I would like to mention 2 other african taxons : Papilio chitondensis, .... I caught a series of Papilio chitondensis uncluding the female that I published in 2005. here is a pic
Are they all chitondensis or are there comparison specimens added. Any underside photo's? Rich
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Post by timmsyrj on Oct 10, 2016 12:56:37 GMT
Some very nice rarities you have mcheki, good examples too. You must have some good contacts to get those.
Very well done.
Rich
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Post by timmsyrj on Oct 10, 2016 13:00:28 GMT
bacelarae looks a good species to me, different from those comparison species. Rich
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Post by africaone on Oct 10, 2016 13:12:26 GMT
I caught a series of Papilio chitondensis uncluding the female that I published in 2005. here is a pic
Are they all chitondensis or are there comparison specimens added. Any underside photo's? Rich all are chitondensis (locality : Angola, Cuanza Sul Prov. near Seles)
and here are the verso
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