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Post by wollastoni on Oct 11, 2016 17:13:26 GMT
The seller must be a genius. I highly doubt he will be paid though...
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Post by Paul K on Oct 11, 2016 17:39:51 GMT
I have a hundred flies from that very debate, I'm a millionaire But did they seat on each presidential candidate ? If yes then you are , you just have to say yes it will be enough proof for some to pay.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Oct 11, 2016 18:11:31 GMT
Rich asked "Are true hybrids (between 2 different species) sterile?"
The answer to that is usually they are either sterile or have significantly reduced fertility, but that is not always necessarily the case. Interspecific hybrids can be fertile (many of them are in plants, orchids for example) and I expect that some butterfly hybrids are fertile too. Just off the top of my head, Papilio appalachiensis arose from natural hybridisation between two species, and of course the offspring of the original parents must have been fertile otherwise the new species wouldn't have arisen from them.
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Post by timmsyrj on Oct 11, 2016 18:35:39 GMT
Is that not just glaucus s.sp x glaucus s.sp = glaucus s.sp really though Rich
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 19:06:14 GMT
I was going to ask about appalachiensis Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 19:07:41 GMT
Yes Paul the flies all settled nicely on each candidate but then they are going to be attracted to carrion.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Oct 11, 2016 21:29:13 GMT
Is that not just glaucus s.sp x glaucus s.sp = glaucus s.sp really though Rich If you believe Keith Brown Jr. then yes, but if you believe more modern analyses ... no. Papilio canadensis and glaucus have many differences both morphological, phenological and genetic. However, I stil think there is more to find out about the glaucus group. Adam.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 12, 2016 0:34:49 GMT
Heliconius heurippa is also supposed to have had a hybrid origin.
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Post by nomad on Oct 28, 2016 7:58:30 GMT
I remembered I had this image taken at the Juvisy fair, I believe I posted it here somewhere. Looks a bit more like it. Pricey.
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 30, 2016 3:53:00 GMT
Well, that certainly qualifies as a legitimate wild caught example of miokensis. A reasonably descent example but, what might have caused the localized dis-coloration on the wings (near the bases of the hind wings) ? Water stain ? A seldom seen item with a stiff asking price given the fact that it's hard to overlook that stain. Too expensive to experiment on "fixing" the unsightly problem. I guess I generally appreciate the item for the natural rarity that it is however, I'd have to pass given the price and somewhat unsightly condition. Just my opinion.
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Post by nomad on Oct 30, 2016 9:24:56 GMT
Not sure that is a discoloration. Notice that same colour around those yellow hindwing spots.
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Post by timmsyrj on Nov 15, 2016 11:15:23 GMT
That photo looks more like miokensis for sure, however urvilleanus on New Ireland can look like this, price seems reasonable if it is true miokensis, The Paris auction house had one listed last year with an estimate of around 7,500 euro ( don't know if it sold though ). There is one on eBay today, which, if I had the money I certainly would pay the £1,200 asking price and it's not even A-, but it's from Edward (Ted) Archer, a fine collector I had the honour of taking to about Ornithoptera many years ago, the seller also has a very reasonably priced pair of allotei (£1,500) which I would add to the basket.
Rich
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 15, 2016 11:26:22 GMT
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 15, 2016 13:44:36 GMT
Yes he is a collector, but also a dealer selling under the name Antennae Inc. He seems to be connected to a Canadian legal issue. Try a Google search on his name and you will find some links.
Adam.
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Post by nomad on Nov 15, 2016 15:03:26 GMT
Considering what I found out about him, I decided to delete my post.
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