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Post by cabintom on Oct 2, 2016 15:45:28 GMT
The variety and beauty of this world's insects never ceases to amaze! Thanks for taking so much time to share these.
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daveuk
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Post by daveuk on Oct 2, 2016 16:02:07 GMT
Great pictures Peter. Good to finally meet up with you. Very enjoyable day Dave
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 4, 2016 5:56:05 GMT
Wow, thank you very much Nomad for all the wonderful picture taking at the show ! ! Lots of variety to look at as well as lots of nicely spread material which is a trademark of British collectors. The prices across the board were unbelievably cheap and affordable. Hard to believe those bred examples of Saturniidae sell as cheaply as they do considering all the work it takes to get them to adults. Maybe you could have snagged that abberant Papilio dardanus for deliasfanatic. He has mentioned in his posts that butterfly is a longtime favorite. I think it was a great looking example for such a cheap price ! One other thing is that AWESOME looking book. Now there is something that I'm going to "pine" for over a long time. I'll have to get a copy someday. Simply breathtaking work in it's scope and in the stunning plates.
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Post by nomad on Oct 4, 2016 6:44:09 GMT
Maybe you could have snagged that abberant Papilio dardanus for deliasfanatic. He has mentioned in his posts that butterfly is a longtime favorite. I think it was a great looking example for such a cheap price ! I would have certainly bought this for deliasfanatic if I knew more about it and that he may have wanted this specimen. I know he has a large Papilio dardanus collection. It would be good to hear from deliasfanatic if this was indeed a rare aberration at such a good price. Yes the AES is a good place for bargains, the Brits are usually very canny with their money but some I fear like me, not always.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 4, 2016 13:02:16 GMT
I appreciate the kind thoughts, gentlemen! I've had a look at the photo, and while I can't be certain, I think that it may be a discolouration rather than an aberration. I've not seen any aberrations of this type before, whereas I have a couple of specimens that are discoloured, although in a more obvious way and not exactly like this one.
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Post by nomad on Oct 4, 2016 13:09:29 GMT
When I asked about the Papilio dardanus aberration. The guy said " It was most unusual because as far as he was aware he had not heard of a specimen like it", of which I thought, if it is so rare why the rather low price.
Did any one notice the nice UV O. priamus for sale.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Oct 4, 2016 13:20:47 GMT
When I asked about the Papilio dardanus aberration. The guy said " It was most unusual because as far as he was aware he had not heard of a specimen like it", of which I thought, if it is so rare why the rather low price. Did any one notice the nice UV O. priamus for sale. Yes, the price would be quite low if genuine. I also noticed the priamus with its "rare" label
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 14:08:37 GMT
"Did any one notice the nice UV O. priamus for sale"
Yes I did Peter, very pretty but worthless to me. It was good to finally meet, if only briefly, very good fair, lots of good stuff to empty the pocket, managed to find a P Avellaneda from Cuba which has been reset, but the female machaonides was the best find for me.
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Post by mcheki on Oct 4, 2016 15:21:40 GMT
OK everyone relax! Here is a close-up of the dardanus from AES at Kempton Park in London. I am intrigued to know if it is an aberration or a chemical doctoring of the colours. The data label says it is from Mbaiki in the Central African Republic. This area is well known to produce a large number of unusual specimens from bilateral gynandromorphs to unusual colour changes. As well as mosaics and melanistic specimens. Some may be genuine but are they all? I have this specimen and it will be housed with my other dardanus specimens. I should also add that I got a good reduction on the price!
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Post by mcheki on Oct 4, 2016 15:28:06 GMT
This is the underside of the previous specimen and the colour variation seems to mirror the upperside quite well. What do others think of the butterflies origins. It seems remarkably pristine for a wild caught specimen.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Oct 4, 2016 18:29:09 GMT
I suspect the 'browning' may possibly be caused by heat applied to the dead specimen, however it is possible that this is natural too. I am only theorising and not stating that heat caused this unusual colour.
Maybe if you have a hand lens you can look at the wing scales and see if they are lying flat on the wings as normal or slightly raised. If slightly raised that would suggest that the specimen was killed too soon after emergence from the pupa and then subjected to heat on the right side, which has a slightly arger brown area. Such heat could even include drying it out in strong sun in a paper envelope.
Some species look slightly 'furry' if they are killed before the wings have dried properly, because the scales have not dried into their correct position. I cannot see this in these photos, so it may not have been killed too quickly at all.
Wahtever caused it, natural or unnatural, it looks rather pleasing on the eye in a strange way, probably because there isn't a sharp edge to the brown area.
Adam.
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Post by mygos on Oct 4, 2016 18:55:18 GMT
I got a copy of Igarashi book as well with hand written corrections by Ray Straatman, but it was much more expensive than this copy ! Thank you Peter for this nice report about the AES fair A+, Michel
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Post by fossilguy on Oct 4, 2016 21:24:01 GMT
Nomad, any chance this or another copy of the Igarashi book is still available?
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Post by trehopr1 on Oct 5, 2016 5:15:29 GMT
Glad to see that somebody on the forum "snagged" that unusual dardanus specimen before it got away. As Adam mentioned " it looks rather pleasing on the eye in a strange way" which is why I would have purchased it in a heartbeat. Of coarse the price was very attractive too. Bravo mcheki !
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Post by nomad on Oct 5, 2016 7:26:21 GMT
Nomad, any chance this or another copy of the Igarashi book is still available? I am not sure if the book was sold or not but I have sent you a PM who had the Igarashi book. Let me know you got the message please as you are a new member.
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