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Post by nomad on Jan 23, 2016 11:52:23 GMT
Every entomologist has something special and I dream to meet all of them ! Very nice answer, but if you had to choose one, who would it be. I was hoping to here more of the other members choices.
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Post by hewi on Jan 23, 2016 12:42:55 GMT
I would like to choose Mr. Anton Hermann Fassl (1876-1922), the great collector in South America. Enclosed his obituary notice. It is written in such a poetic language that I'm not capable to translate it in english.
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Post by terry2014 on Jan 23, 2016 13:13:54 GMT
I would also like to see a copy of the Tennent paper. Adam. Adam. I understand you now have a copy of the Tennant paper. I have been trying to obtain a copy since it was mentioned on this forum, with no success Would you be good enough to send me a copy. Terry
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 23, 2016 14:24:15 GMT
Interesting topic !
I would say AS Meek or one of the Pratt brothers to discuss about Papuan Delias discoveries and collecting techniques. Would be a pleasure to chat with Lord Rothschild too !
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 23, 2016 18:50:00 GMT
I would also like to see a copy of the Tennent paper. Adam. Adam. I understand you now have a copy of the Tennant paper. I have been trying to obtain a copy since it was mentioned on this forum, with no success Would you be good enough to send me a copy. Terry Terry, I just sent it to you. Thanks to John Hyatt for sending me a copy. If anyone else wants one for study purposes please e-mail me (my address is in my profile). Adam.
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 23, 2016 19:04:21 GMT
Adam > only moderators can see email address in profile, to avoid spamming.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 20:57:45 GMT
Me too Adam pretty please, I would find it fascinating.
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Post by africaone on Jan 24, 2016 10:05:46 GMT
Every entomologist has something special and I dream to meet all of them ! Very nice answer, but if you had to choose one, who would it be. I was hoping to here more of the other members choices. I really try to find one , despite a few are really uninteresting (like or the "stamp collectors" ), all the others have something to bring . Of course the most known attracted more attention but many others never published (books, forum, conference, etc.) or never tried to be known (some prefer to be "to live happy, live hidden") and some of them are more exciting and fascinating. some of the best entomologists are not known by the public.
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Post by nomad on Jan 24, 2016 10:47:07 GMT
Very nice answer, but if you had to choose one, who would it be. I was hoping to here more of the other members choices. I really try to find one , despite a few are really uninteresting (like or the "stamp collectors" ), all the others have something to bring . Of course the most known attracted more attention but many others never published (books, forum, conference, etc.) or never tried to be known (some prefer to be "to live happy, live hidden") and some of them are more exciting and fascinating. some of the best entomologists are not known by the public. Well, if you did something special in entomology you would be known by other kindred souls, not hidden, knowledge is there to share. I doubt the public could name few or any entomologists . The famous collectors bought species to our attention while other named them and some did or do both. I see you refer to the stamp collecting phrase, a favourite of either today's anti collectors or those that think they are in position higher than those they see as mere ordinary collectors , I believe Mr Abrera used that his book. . Gosh, my script is getting larger. Last Edit: 1 minute ago by nomad
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Post by nomad on Jan 24, 2016 11:11:35 GMT
I was also hoping to here Coleopterists choices, we see so little, as regards that fine insect order on the forum. I guess by choosing your favourite entomologist, its a way of commemorating them even if they are not widely known.
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Post by africaone on Jan 24, 2016 11:29:59 GMT
Unfortunetely for me, the debate is not in French and it it is difficult to defend correctly my position. there is a world of hidden collectors, really passionates that done extraordinary things. Believe it or not, that simply exists even you seems not convinced. "Stamp collector" is anti entomologist by essence. It is not a problem of level or ostracism like you seems to understand, it is just something different. I wrote uninteresting because it brings nothing in terms of entomological passion (I understood in the tittle that was the aim of the question). Entomology is a living passion, without limits and with an infinity of disciplines, the contrary of "stamp collection" (buying and putting one of each censed thing found in a catalogue). There are as many passionates in entomology as many kinds of doing entomology, without one being better than another. Being interested by everthing, I hope to find a parcel of passion in each entomologist. Designate one is like to designate one better than the others.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 24, 2016 12:51:24 GMT
Adam > only moderators can see email address in profile, to avoid spamming. Ah, I didn't realise. I thought everyone could see it (like in Insectnet) as I made it public on my profile. In that case, anyone who wants a copy please e-mail me on adamcot at cscoms dat cam (change the a's in the last 2 words only) and I will send you one. Adam.
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Post by nomad on Jan 24, 2016 13:09:19 GMT
Unfortunetely for me, the debate is not in French and it it is difficult to defend correctly my position. there is a world of hidden collectors, really passionates that done extraordinary things. Believe it or not, that simply exists even you seems not convinced. "Stamp collector" is anti entomologist by essence. It is not a problem of level or ostracism like you seems to understand, it is just something different. I wrote uninteresting because it brings nothing in terms of entomological passion (I understood in the tittle that was the aim of the question). Entomology is a living passion, without limits and with an infinity of disciplines, the contrary of "stamp collection" (buying and putting one of each censed thing found in a catalogue). There are as many passionates in entomology as many kinds of doing entomology, without one being better than another. Being interested by everthing, I hope to find a parcel of passion in each entomologist. Designate one is like to designate one better than the others. I guess yes, there are thousands of entomologist's that had done something worthwhile and added to our knowledge but this thread was really about the entomologist that have instilled the most passion within you. We must beg to differ on the word Stamp collector, a rather derogative term used by entomologists that consider themselves on a higher plane. I think you will find most hobbyist's are pretty passionate about their hobby and know a great deal about what they collect.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2016 15:01:27 GMT
many thanks Adam.
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Post by africaone on Jan 25, 2016 10:53:05 GMT
I guess yes, there are thousands of entomologist's that had done something worthwhile and added to our knowledge but this thread was really about the entomologist that have instilled the most passion within you. We must beg to differ on the word Stamp collector, a rather derogative term used by entomologists that consider themselves on a higher plane. I think you will find most hobbyist's are pretty passionate about their hobby and know a great deal about what they collect. I certainly agree with you on this one Peter! I have a friend who is what I always termed a stamp collector as he hardly has any even slightly damaged specimens - be it Coleoptera or Lepidoptera in his collection. However, he is very much into entomology and does know a lot about his certain area in particular - he just want his collection to be top quality material only. Certainly not my style, but each person their pleasure. However, he makes lots of field observations and document them by photo's, video nowadays and that in itself is also a great and valid documentation of our beloved "bugs", in its own right. They just don't go into boxes in a museum and can for obvious reasons thus never be used for DNA sampling or alike future research. I never collected micro-lepidoptera, coleoptera or any other insect order myself as these does not not really interest me, though I'm still amazed by their obvious beauty and/or intricate patterns. Those who are into those groups of insects have my full respect nevertheless. So even "stamp collectors" can certainly be very keen entomologists in their own right. The "unknown" private entomologists contributions to various museums across the world certainly must make up a great pool of material and data! The pretty unknown, private me, has contributed many more lepidoptera specimens from Palawan to the Copenhagen Natural History Museum than the lepidoptera collections made by such expeditions as the second Noona Dan expedition (1961-62). The same is true for my north Pakistan collections there. Jan the entomology is the study of insect by any way, any level. Stamp collection is doing this only (use a catalogue and put in his collection what is in the catalogue only without any consideration for the diversity, the new things, biology, etc.).I met this kind of collector, not only in insect. Their aim is not the love of insect but the collection itself. "stamp collector" is not synonym of amateurs, lovers, photographs, etc. Strange to see how an expression, purely descriptive, can be derived.
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