Yes Peter, we will meet up this year, my box won't be full though, I buy quality not quantity these days as my bug room in this house is smaller than the last one but hey, at least she lets me have a bug room so can't grumble.
"In the past when sensitive sites, and species sightings have been kept secret. Some people on these forums have asked are there any butterfly collectors still out there, here's your proof. :wink:
In this day and age, to collect butterflies from the British countryside, with the objective of assembling a personal collection, is so morally reprehensible, that it doesn't deserve reasoned argument. As John says, collect stamps"
"I don't think you can have a meaningful discussion unless the reason for collecting is given, which is why Mark put so much effort into his article - to raise awareness of both valid and invalid reasons for collecting. Although it can be argued that taking individual butterflies (from most populations) may have no effect overall, that's really not the point. The feeling of the overwhelming majority of UKBers is that there is simply no need to build a reference collection (or collect aberrations, or whatever) in this day and age with websites like this and a plethora of literature. And, of course, the tool of the trade these days is the relatively-benign camera. These collectors make not be breaking any law, but we just don't like it, or them"
I will sign off on the subject now finishing off with a statement that says it all about the (edited by admin) country that morons are running now, brainwashed into a way of thinking because they believe everything they are told, "but we just don't like it, or them"
"Looking around the stomach turning stands at the AES. I'm feel sure, that if covering your wall with rare aberrations of dead butterflies is your thing"
Somehow I doubt that any serious collector would put them on his wall where they would soon effectively be destroyed. The person who worte this obviously has no idea how to keep a collection that is other than just for aesthetic purposes.
Recently there has been a drive by a handful of insect/nature photographers in Denmark, on forums, to advocate towards a ban on insect collecting. This, at least on two occasions, caused the webmaster of the Lepidopterologisk Forening to temporarily close the insect observation report section due to foul language from both the pro and anti collecting camps. It must be fought as well as possible.
Related to this; Thursday evening I finally took time to chill with my wife in front of the TV and by chance I zapped to a channel where the documentary Grizzly Man was showing. I must recommend you to take the time to watch this Werner Herzog documentary. It gives a insight into the thinking of an environment hippie - as I myself term overly environment aware persons! At one point the character, which the docuentary is about, is being sentimental over over a naturally dead bumble bee on a flower - while he was airlifted out to the wilderness and other insects for sure was killed by the plane. Several of the characters are some, in my opinion, real deep psycho environment hippies! The more socially functional environment hippies, however, are the ones normal people should "fear" as they present the real risk of a negative impact on insect collectors and amateur researchers, from whose enthusiasm, perseverance and effort most of today's knowledge derive! You may watch the documentary on youtube.
In my opinion those people have too much free time on their hand and in most cases they are rich people already made many bad thinks to the nature by concreting and developed most important habitats . Now they are pretending to protect what ever they left a live and for them self to feel better that they " care " Paul
As long as there is a sun and a moon there will be those that are all anti collecting and those that collect insects. You are never going to change each other minds. Name calling and the assertion that either camps have no place in society is just plain wrong. Everyone has a right to their views no matter how much we disagree with them. There are enough places in the World where the freedom of speech is forbidden. Remember this was a gentleman's forum. I preferred that name.
The anti-collecting trend won't stop in the future. It is higher in countries who have highly destroyed their environment (UK, Holland) but it might grow everywhere. I think we should all take this into account and be more active to defend entomology.
Few things to be done : - "collector and proud". Never hide, we are amateur or professional entomologists, collecting is a useful part of it, and we are proud of this. That's why I have written the word "Collector" in the name of this forum. If you hide, you look guilty of something. - unite. Join entomologist associations, insect collector forum, and so on. - explain. To people who make demands, always explain entomology with simple and concrete examples. Of course adapt them to your audience. Share well written articles explaining why insect collecting is important. - teach. We need to teach the new generations. Buy a net to your family/friend children, it would be the best present they will ever get in their life. - share. Share your passion on forum like this one. I am pretty sure many young people will be astonished by your pictures or collecting stories. There are unfortunately less butterflies in the gardens, let's put more on the web ! Create insect websites, blogs, forums, periodicals... - lobbying. All entomologist associations should discuss with local and national authorities and work on some environmental/conservation issues. Don't let butterfly huggers badly do our job... - responsibility. Butterfly smugglers, non sustainable commercial collecting are killing our reputation in the public.
I know it is very easy to say, but if everyone of us do a little more, the situation will improve.
Let's quote one positive example I have in mind : there were a ban on insect collecting in the Alpes de Haute Provence in France. After years of discussion with authorities, French lepidopterist associations have obtained the annulation of this ban. Amateur entomologists can now collect there, respecting of course the national list of protected species and areas.
And yes, if you meet one of the ayatollah of that forum in the field, it will be hard to convince him... I know... it is the same with the drunk guy in the metro at night
And finally, enjoy it ! Don't let the idiots ruin our passion, our smile, our energy ! It's not because they are many that they are right !