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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 30, 2019 21:20:36 GMT
Yes they are all ssp. gladiator except the one correctly labelled significans from Kalaw, Shan States. The very green specimen from Zhongdian is a spring form higher altitude specimen. ThailandChiang Mai prov., Doi Chum Tan nat. park The data on this is strange, I guess this must be Doi Khun Tan National Park which is between Lamphun and Lampang provinces, not Chiang Mai, but I have never heard of bianor from there. Where did you get this specimen? Do you have the original envelope (assuming it came papered). If so can you photograph the data? Adam.
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Post by Paul K on Jan 30, 2019 21:40:35 GMT
Butterfly number 4p.bianor gladiator?? Thailand, Phrae prov., Lam Nam Nan nat. park 08/ I also think that this specimen is not from Phrae Prov. but from Nan Province as this species occurs close to Laos border.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 31, 2019 8:11:54 GMT
P. bianor gladiator does occur in Nan, and it is possible that the data for this specimen is correct, as part of Lam Nam Nan National Park is in SE Phrae Province, although the headquarters is actually in Uttaradit Province. "Lam Nam Nan" means "[river] Nan waterway", and does not actually refer to the province of the same name directly. This locality is further south of the known localities for bianor in that area (Song Kwae District and the northernmost corner of Nan Province near the border crossing to Laos).
Adam.
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Post by Paul K on Jan 31, 2019 14:59:18 GMT
P. bianor gladiator does occur in Nan, and it is possible that the data for this specimen is correct, as part of Lam Nam Nan National Park is in SE Phrae Province, although the headquarters is actually in Uttaradit Province. "Lam Nam Nan" means "[river] Nan waterway", and does not actually refer to the province of the same name directly. This locality is further south of the known localities for bianor in that area (Song Kwae District and the northernmost corner of Nan Province near the border crossing to Laos). Adam. Adam you misunderstood me, Lam Nam Nan NP is correct but on label says Phrae Prov. but I suppose should be Nan Prov. Unless someone actually found it further south? Paul
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 31, 2019 15:50:00 GMT
Actually Lam Nam Nan NP is not in Nan Province at all, most of it is in Uttaradit Province, and the western part is in SE Phrae. I have never heard of bianor from there, but it is possible.
Adam.
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Post by Paul K on Jan 31, 2019 18:11:07 GMT
Ah, yes. I just checked it should be Doi Phu Kha NP. I rembered that bianor is occurring in Nan Prov. and mixed up National Parks.
Paul
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 1, 2019 18:15:37 GMT
Thanks a lot for identification. Great knowledge. I'm glad to learn from you, guys. best regards, Boris P.S. I think it is in correct to write about the suppliers, because i'm not sure about the provided data for 2 buterflies. I think it is fake. so i will PM Adam and Paul. If they allow i will make a post in trading fedbacks, but i think it is not necessary. I would not bother posting in the trading feedback section, it is impossible to be sure that the person who sold the specimens to you put fake data on the specimens himself. It is also quite likely that he bought them from someone else with the fake data already on them, and he may not have realise that the data is incorrect. Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 1, 2019 18:21:48 GMT
Ah, yes. I just checked it should be Doi Phu Kha NP. I rembered that bianor is occurring in Nan Prov. and mixed up National Parks. Paul Just to clarify, P. bianor is not known from Doi Phu Kha NP., although it could possibly be there. Some specimens which came from Song Kwae, Nan have been sold with Doi Phu Kha written on the data labels in the past, but there are no confirmed specimens from there. When the species was first discovered in Nan the local collectors gave false information in order to protect their supply. So far it is only known to be common in one area of Nan, and they didn't want people going to catch them themselves back in the early days. Adam.
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