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Post by jmg on Jan 29, 2019 0:08:33 GMT
Papilio maackii maackii, male.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 29, 2019 7:45:41 GMT
Papilio maackii maackii, male. I disagree, this is P. dehaanii as Boris suspects. Note how the pale forewing postdiscal area reaches across the wing to the costa above the cell. In P. maackii it follows the margin to the apex. P. dehaanii occurs in northeastern China and gets as far south as Shandong where it meets the northernmost populations of P. bianor. They can produce hybrids in captivity, but those are infertile. Adam.
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Post by jmg on Jan 29, 2019 9:54:21 GMT
Sorry ! P. dehaanii is not quoted in my book Achillides Butterflies by Yukio Shimogori, 1997.
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Post by Maksim khorunov on Jan 29, 2019 10:29:08 GMT
Hello Boris!
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 29, 2019 14:29:57 GMT
Thanks to Maksim for posting these photos of undersides.
Note that not all subspecies of P. maackii have the marked postdiscal hindwing band, ssp han from China normally lacks this band.
Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 29, 2019 14:33:45 GMT
Sorry ! P. dehaanii is not quoted in my book Achillides Butterflies by Yukio Shimogori, 1997. Shimogori (1997) treated it as a subspecies of bianor, which was first split into 2 species by Yoshimoto (1998 - Butterflies, 20: 45-49). Adam.
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Post by Maksim khorunov on Jan 29, 2019 14:53:00 GMT
Note that not all subspecies of P. maackii have the marked postdiscal hindwing band, ssp han from China normally lacks this band. Hello dear Adam! Yes, you're absolutely right! Here's another photo.
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Post by Maksim khorunov on Jan 29, 2019 15:01:16 GMT
Maybe on my photo there is an error in the title of room 5.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 29, 2019 15:54:19 GMT
Maybe on my photo there is an error in the title of room 5. The specimen in number 5 seems to be maackii judging by the postdiscal band on the forewing underside. Note also that the hindwing of maackii tends to be slightly more angular than dehaanii and bianor. The Sichuan bianor is indeed ssp. bianor. Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 29, 2019 21:15:26 GMT
buterfly number 1papilio bianor bianor or gladiator female? chuna, yunnan, mt gao-li-gong, 08/2011 This is gladiator, Gaoligongshan is on the Yunnan-Burma border. Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 29, 2019 21:26:57 GMT
2-6 are all maackii han, shimogorii is a synonym.
Where is 7 from? If NE China it is ssp. maackii
Number 8 is also maackii han. The locality should be Wuyi Shan.
Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 29, 2019 21:57:23 GMT
huge thanks to Maxim and Adam. but while looking carefully at the picture, i had some doubts about number 5. is it really p.dehaani? looks like p. maackii or bianor. the underside lacks the white triangle in the upper wings. but the white band in the upper wings is here, very similar to maackii ssp. best regards, Boris Indeed, as I pointed out, this one is maackii. Note also the more angular hindwing than number 6. Adam.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 30, 2019 21:32:18 GMT
number 7 papilio comes from China, Heilongjiang prov. Dahua, 08/05/06 it seems to me , that its is p.maackii ssp han too, but i'm not sure. i've got 2 more p.mackii from heilongjiang prov. but they looks like nominate race spring brood. These are all nominate ssp. maackii, and I noticed one above with handwritten data "Jilin", which is also ssp. maackii, not han. The spring form of ssp. maackii is so different to the summer form it's amazing they are actually the same species. I've got very strange papilio from yunnan, Zhongdian, 25/05/2003 It is very gloss and striking. I guess it is p.bianor xiei (gladiator), but it looks more like p.bianor pinratanai female aswell or p.bianor significans male. This is ssp. gladiator, which is rather variable. Ignore the name xiei, it is a synonym of gladiator from a mountain south of Mengla near the border with Laos, a long way south of Zhongdian. Adam.
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