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Post by cabintom on Nov 16, 2018 21:23:33 GMT
Papilio (Princeps) ophidicephalus Oberthür, 1878 has the following recognized subspecies: Papilio (Princeps) ophidicephalus ophidicephalus Oberthür, 1878 Papilio (Princeps) ophidicephalus ayresi van Son, 1939 Papilio (Princeps) ophidicephalus chirinda van Son, 1939 Papilio (Princeps) ophidicephalus cottrelli van Son, 1966 Papilio (Princeps) ophidicephalus entabeni van Son, 1939 Papilio (Princeps) ophidicephalus mkuwadzi Gifford, 1961 Papilio (Princeps) ophidicephalus niassicola Storace, 1955 Papilio (Princeps) ophidicephalus phalusco Suffert, 1904 Papilio (Princeps) ophidicephalus transvaalensis van Son, 1939 Papilio (Princeps) ophidicephalus zuluensis van Son, 1939
I assume a revision is needed though.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Nov 16, 2018 22:34:04 GMT
Boris - here are the currently recognized subspecies of P. ophidicephalus:
ophidicephalus ophidicephalus Oberthur 1878 E Kenya; Tanzania to Cape Province mkuwadzi Gifford 1965 N Malawi and surrounding area niassicola Storace 1955 C and S Malawi cottrelli van Son 1966 SC Zambia chirinda van Son 1939 E Zimbabwe and nearby Mozambique entabeni van Son 1939 N Transvaal ayresi van Son 1939 Drakensberg Range, Transvaal (S of Olifants R) transvaalensis van Son 1939 (Transvaal) zuluensis van Son 1939 Zululand and N Natal phalusco Suffert 1904 S Natal; E Cape Province
There is also a possible ssp from W. Malawi that I'm investigating.
EDIT: I see that Tom already posted the list just above.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 17, 2018 3:01:25 GMT
Wow, love that selection of P. ophidicephalus... The Emperor Swallowtail is a moniker well deserved. My favorite amongst African papilionids. Had a chance twice to get it but, only one looked as good as the ones you have; and it's asking price was simply too much for me at the time.
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Post by mcheki on Nov 18, 2018 13:24:58 GMT
After all the previous discussions may I dare to show my drawer of Papilio ohidicephalus? All subspecies are present except ssp: cottrelli which is perhaps not clearly defined. There is also a possibility that further subspecies are to be found in Malawi. See column 3 from Mount Dedza in Malawi.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 18, 2018 16:38:00 GMT
Magnificent...
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Post by africaone on Nov 24, 2018 9:19:50 GMT
After all the previous discussions may I dare to show my drawer of Papilio ohidicephalus? All subspecies are present except ssp: cottrelli which is perhaps not clearly defined. There is also a possibility that further subspecies are to be found in Malawi. See column 3 from Mount Dedza in Malawi.
I caught some exemplars in Southern Congo that are probably cotrelli .... The species is quite uncommon in Congo despite it seems more common in other countries.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Nov 27, 2018 14:56:12 GMT
While photographing my P. nireus group drawers last night, I added the two P. hesperus group drawers to the batch. I'll post these first since they're relatively simple; the others will follow later today. Col. 1 (first 4 specimens): P. euphranor 2M 2F Col. 1 (last 2) plus Col. 2 and Col. 3: P. pelodurus vesper 12M 2F (many locations in Tanzania and N. Malawi) Col. 4: P. pelodurus pelodurus 3M 2F (S. Malawi) Col. 5: P. horribilis 3M 3F p hesperus drawer 01 3219 by D B, on Flickr Col. 1: P. hesperus hesperus 5M 1F Col. 2: same (one additional F); P. h. feae (Fernando Po) 2M; P. h. sudana 3M. In the last group, the first specimen is an old one from Gilo, Imatong Mts, S. Sudan; the other two are from the more recently discovered location in NE Uganda. Col. 3: P. nobilis crippsianus 7M Col. 4: same, 3F; P. nobilis nobilis 4M Col. 5: additional P. n. nobilis 4M 2F; P. nobilis didingensis 1M (old specimen from Didinga Mts, S. Sudan). A friend and I have compared the latter to large series of n. nobilis, and we believe that didingensis is not a valid subspecies. It blends perfectly with a series of nominate males, and the differences given in the original description don't hold up over a large series. p hesperus drawer 02 3220 by D B, on Flickr
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Post by africaone on Nov 27, 2018 15:28:01 GMT
P. nobilis didingensis 1M (old specimen from Didinga Mts, S. Sudan). A friend and I have compared the latter to large series of n. nobilis, and we believe that didingensis i Do you remember some years ago, a guy sold many incredible Papilio including from Sudan that we suspected to be false localities. It was in fact false locality and the guy disappeared from the sites. The Papilio he sold came from classic localities in Kenya or Tanzania (Papilio nobilis and rex were the two main species he proposed). I verified by myself the complete correspondance between these classic ssp and the incredible ssp he named. I ordered some to him and after checking them and verified they were false, I obtained refund (a kind of indirect confession)
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Post by deliasfanatic on Nov 27, 2018 15:35:57 GMT
P. nobilis didingensis 1M (old specimen from Didinga Mts, S. Sudan). A friend and I have compared the latter to large series of n. nobilis, and we believe that didingensis i Do you remember some years ago, a guy sold many incredible Papilio including from Sudan that we suspected to be false localities. It was in fact false locality and the guy disappeared from the sites. The Papilio he sold came from classic localities in Kenya or Tanzania (Papilio nobilis and rex were the two main species he proposed). I verified by myself the complete correspondance between these classic ssp and the incredible ssp he named. I ordered some to him and after checking them and verified they were false, I obtained refund (a kind of indirect confession) Oh yes, I remember that very well, and didn't trust him from the beginning. My two specimens are definitely genuine, though; they came directly from Steve Collins, so there is no doubt.
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 27, 2018 15:39:32 GMT
I assume you are talking about Luigi Puiu.
Adam.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Nov 27, 2018 15:43:16 GMT
The same.
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Post by africaone on Nov 27, 2018 18:04:46 GMT
Do you remember some years ago, a guy sold many incredible Papilio including from Sudan that we suspected to be false localities. It was in fact false locality and the guy disappeared from the sites. The Papilio he sold came from classic localities in Kenya or Tanzania (Papilio nobilis and rex were the two main species he proposed). I verified by myself the complete correspondance between these classic ssp and the incredible ssp he named. I ordered some to him and after checking them and verified they were false, I obtained refund (a kind of indirect confession) Oh yes, I remember that very well, and didn't trust him from the beginning. My two specimens are definitely genuine, though; they came directly from Steve Collins, so there is no doubt. and what about P. nobilis mpanda ? is it a good ssp ?
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Post by deliasfanatic on Nov 27, 2018 18:42:44 GMT
I haven't seen any mpanda.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 28, 2018 3:48:37 GMT
Now, there's a truly beautiful species that I have always liked. What a nice drawer full. The blue of the hindwings varies in its amount and intensity. The yellow compliments the stripes and bands and is "easy on the eyes" in it's shading. I don't have a one of this species but, maybe someday.
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Post by xavm (Xavier) on Nov 28, 2018 9:38:28 GMT
huge thanks for all, posting some african papilio drawers! but i will continue the topic with p.alexanor drawer. fantastic butterfly, very accurate! Nice drawers, thanks for sharing. Will you have the time to share the locations ? It is very interesting to see to shift from EU to "Mid-Asian/ Levant" forms. Xavier
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