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Post by trehopr1 on Jun 14, 2018 4:43:59 GMT
Below is a photograph of a "dark" species of Catocala which I collected last summer in Southern Illinois. This female was resting on a wall of a gas station under some bright lights. She is large (about the size of Nebulosa or Neogama) but, I can't quite place her. Some of these "darkie" species are perplexing at times to tell apart. If any Catocala faithful can put forth any suggestions, ideas, or positive I.D. on this little honey than please have at it. I consider this beauty a very nice find and unique in my collection as I have nothing like her and I may never find another....  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Jun 14, 2018 4:59:28 GMT
Here is yet another "dark" species I am uncertain of. I collected it at the same location as the one in the photograph above. This one is a male of a different species. With this one, I have narrowed the species down to two possibilities. My first hypothesis is that it is C. angusi; My second choice would be C.residua... Willing to hear any suggestions etc. from any Catocala faithful.  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Jun 17, 2018 23:12:43 GMT
Gosh, I was kind of hoping by now that some member(s) could forward some thoughts as to what species I may have here. Are all the Catocala faithful too busy outdoors trying to catch their own? Come'on fella's I'm offering up a challenge here....
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Post by rayray on Jun 22, 2018 6:30:32 GMT
Top looks like a typical Catocala vidua
Bottom looks like Catocala insolabilis or angusi but I have never taken either of those species. They both have the totally dark fringe. Angusi usually has more black dashes and smearing, but there is a light form that looks a lot like insolabilis
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Post by trehopr1 on Jun 26, 2018 16:38:44 GMT
Just saw your post today rayray. Thank you for your assistance. I'm very happy the first specimen is C vidua. That is a species which is a new one for me and my collection!
I'm also happy the other has at least been narrowed down to a couple of possibilities. I will post other tough ones as I come across them...
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Post by trehopr1 on Aug 21, 2018 20:25:14 GMT
Only recently collected these 2 fair damsels. I cannot quite place which species they might be. Any ideas?  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Aug 21, 2018 20:29:48 GMT
Here are three of the same which puzzle me somewhat. I think they best resemble Catocala dejecta. Any other ideas? Attachment Deleted |
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Post by trehopr1 on Aug 21, 2018 20:34:19 GMT
And finally, I have these two which also puzzle me. I'm thinking Catocala angusi. Any other thoughts? Attachment Deleted |
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Post by chrisw on Aug 22, 2018 17:13:04 GMT
The red underwing looks like C. meskei
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Post by chrisw on Aug 22, 2018 17:17:05 GMT
I believe you are correct with your id of dejecta for the three.
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Post by chrisw on Aug 22, 2018 17:20:13 GMT
The one next to your red underwing is insolabilis.
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Post by trehopr1 on Aug 23, 2018 5:06:53 GMT
A sincere thank you chrisw for those species determinations. For me, meskei and insolabilis are both 2 new species which I have had no representation of in my collection. Very exciting !
When I initially collected meskei I knew I had something different and (new) for my efforts. However, trying to pinpoint some of these species can at times be elusive when 2 or 3 look so similar. I find meskei, unijuga, and parta tough ones to tell apart. All 3 possess the salmon colored hind wings, white fringe, black borders, and inner black band. A little different on the fore wings for all 3; with parta seeming to have a little more "brownish tones" present than the other two.
Insolabilis seems pretty distinct in it's own right and when I compared it to my other dark underwing holdings it stood alone. So, there too I knew I had something different and (new) also. Just could not place it.
Was hoping to hear someone say something about my 2 (possible) C. angusi specimens; but, nothing yet ! Looking at various photographs and even the Catocala site (by Bill Oehlke); I still cannot seem to place these 2 specimens except to say they appear to me to look most like angusi.
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Post by trehopr1 on Aug 23, 2018 5:20:17 GMT
I have another one here which I cannot put my finger on. It is a medium-sized Catocala species which seems to have some distinct markings but, alas it confounds me...  |
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Post by trehopr1 on Aug 23, 2018 5:26:16 GMT
Also, collected up this one recently in Southern Illinois. A very much fresh hatch which looks to me like C. flebilis. Are there any differing opinions?  |
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Post by chrisw on Aug 24, 2018 2:51:55 GMT
I have another one here which I cannot put my finger on. It is a medium-sized Catocala species which seems to have some distinct markings but, alas it confounds me... That one is innubens. The distinguishing mark is the tip of the forewing. I have caught several of these this year. |
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