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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 8, 2017 21:02:34 GMT
Some Russian guy on EBay is selling a male O. priamus poseidon he calls (form divina) or "blue form". I've seen my share of poseidon subspecies over the years (or at least things with subspecies names); the term "form" was also used on a few. The thing is I've never seen a "blue form" of poseidon and I'm wondering if this is not another case of U.V. Light turning a green one blue. Is it possible it's greasy abdomen has altered it's color or that re-hydration altered it? I even have to wonder how many of those 16+ subspecies of poseidon are even legitimate anymore? I have not been able to afford the latest and greatest birdwing book which came out last year so you will have to excuse my ignorance on this facet of Lepidoptera. My birdwing literature is now effectively out of date. If this is a suspect specimen regardless of the cause I hope nobody falls for it. The seller wants $300 bucks for it ! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 21:14:24 GMT
They are all light treated and are nothing more than a trinket, of no value except to those with more money than sense.
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Post by exoticimports on Nov 8, 2017 21:26:18 GMT
I hand-captured a male OP on Magnetic Island, Australia some years ago. I carried it around for a while, but couldn't figure out what was different about it. Only after I released it did I realize it was blue.
Chuck
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 9, 2017 8:58:18 GMT
Yes 99% of blue Ornitho for sale on www.ebay.com are UV-treated specimens. Some sellers are honest saying they are UV-treated, some don't say it. They reach higher price thanks to their beauty and the fact they are relatively new on the market (less than 5 years ?). Several bidders on www.ebay.com are not entomologists, but people who want to buy a nice bug to display on their wall. For entomologists, it is a pity because real blue forms from the wild will now always been seen as UV-treated specimens. |
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Post by mothman55 on Nov 11, 2017 18:07:59 GMT
Thankyou for this post. I was tempted to bid on a couple of current listings for priamus priamus and priamus poseidon, both are a beautiful blue and listed as form Divina. I had a feeling they may not be natural, have to admit they are quite striking, but knowing they are likely UV light altered, I don't want fakes. Once when I was humidifying a poseidon, I noticed it had a mixture of blue and green, actually got a bit excited thinking I may have something special, but as it dried, turned back to all green. The blue tinge was just a temporary result of the moisture I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 20:02:28 GMT
I remember a dealer at a fair in England try to justify the absurd prices he was charging for these fakes, me laughing at him didn't help.
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Post by trehopr1 on Nov 11, 2017 21:35:13 GMT
I'm very pleased to hear my post reached out to someone who could have made a costly error. More importantly, I'm happy that it informs people of the deceitful practices carried out by a few for the love of money. Such practices and many others are present in every hobby out there dealing with collectible items. Always try to stay informed and if nothing else reach out wherever possible for additional information or others opinions.
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Post by mothman55 on Nov 13, 2017 21:58:32 GMT
Can you believe it, now they are selling poseidon with blue forewings and green hindwings. Whats next, green with blue stripes.
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Post by hewi on Nov 14, 2017 9:59:14 GMT
that was the next already !!! 
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 14, 2017 10:54:10 GMT
Can you believe it, now they are selling poseidon with blue forewings and green hindwings. Whats next, green with blue stripes. HAHAHA, don't give them some ideas !  |
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Post by ciervo on Nov 16, 2017 3:54:41 GMT
OMFG this looks terrible. At least the all blue priamus look great!
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Post by wollastoni on Nov 17, 2017 16:20:09 GMT
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Post by Adam Cotton on Nov 17, 2017 17:20:03 GMT
I hope it is an "auto-bid" from the seller. Many seller of fakes are putting their own bids on an item to make people think it is a real item that everybody wants. Do they also place a reserve price slightly higher than the starting price to ensure that their 'self-bid' isn't actually liable in the event no-one else bids? Adam. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 19:58:55 GMT
Amazing what a fool will pay for a $15 butterfly that's had a session on the sunbed.
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