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Post by Adam Cotton on Aug 4, 2017 8:35:54 GMT
7 is a male Catopsilia scylla, looks like specimens from Thailand. I don't want to guess the others.
Adam.
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Post by wollastoni on Aug 4, 2017 9:47:48 GMT
5 is Delias ligata, there are various ssp depending of the locality in New Guinea.
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Post by Paul K on Aug 4, 2017 12:12:22 GMT
1. Appias olferna -male 2. Appias albina- female 6. Appias albina-male 7. Caropsilia scylla-male as Adam posted previously.
For rest Denny will help, I am familiar only with those occurring in Thailand and Laos.
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Post by Paul K on Aug 4, 2017 12:19:34 GMT
Eurema they all look like E.blanda.
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Post by deliasfanatic on Aug 4, 2017 13:39:00 GMT
I saw this last night, then forgot to get back to it On those not yet mentioned: 3 and 6 are Appias species - I don't study them and will have to see if I can ID them from a reference 4 is Cepora iudith iudith 8 is a Cepora species - several look-alikes from there - I'll have to check Tsukada 9 is Belenois java
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Post by neominois on Aug 4, 2017 16:05:28 GMT
Thank you everyone, I would have never been able to do this myself. Indonesia is not my specialty by any means! More specimens to come!
Eurema blanda? Thanks!
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Post by neominois on Aug 4, 2017 17:51:28 GMT
How many "Eurema" species are in Indonesia? I put the name in quotations because the Genus has been split into 3, Terias, Pyrisitia, and Eurema. From what I see the "Terias" species are what fit into Indonesia, with "Eurema" occurring in South America.
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Post by Paul K on Aug 4, 2017 21:23:48 GMT
How many "Eurema" species are in Indonesia? I put the name in quotations because the Genus has been split into 3, Terias, Pyrisitia, and Eurema. From what I see the "Terias" species are what fit into Indonesia, with "Eurema" occurring in South America. There are ten species occurring in Indochina, I am not sure about Indonesia, possibly few more. Terias is the synonym of Eurema of asian species , Pyrisitia for American species, personally I tread them all as Eurema.
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Post by neominois on Aug 4, 2017 22:17:41 GMT
There are ten species occurring in Indochina, I am not sure about Indonesia, possibly few more. Terias is the synonym of Eurema of asian species , Pyrisitia for American species, personally I tread them all as Eurema.
Thanks for the information. I thought it may be easier to distinguish them if I knew how many I was dealing with. I have several specimens that I know are "Eurema" from Indonesia but I don't know the species... I thought they were all Eurema until I started organizing my collection based on the phylogeny described in the Tree of Life Project. There Eurema is split. At first I had a heck of a time finding Eurema puella until I noticed it was listed in the clade for the genus "Terias".
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Post by deliasfanatic on Aug 4, 2017 23:25:09 GMT
You won't find agreement on many genera from one source to another, just as we previously discussed re: Eurytides and its "offshoots". Depends on whether the writer is a splitter or lumper, to some extent, and whether one likes to keep to traditional views or not. I dare say that it may also depend on whether the writer wants to draw attention to himself or his paper by using unconventional nomenclature.
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Post by neominois on Aug 4, 2017 23:29:30 GMT
You won't find agreement on many genera from one source to another, just as we previously discussed re: Eurytides and its "offshoots". Depends on whether the writer is a splitter or lumper, to some extent, and whether one likes to keep to traditional views or not. I dare say that it may also depend on whether the writer wants to draw attention to himself or his paper by using unconventional nomenclature. Yea, I know and it drives me crazy. I've settled on using the "Tree of Life" web project's genetic information to organize my collection but they are definitely splitters when it comes to Genera. I have created a checklist according to their website and organize my species based on their genetic clades. It has its advantages and disadvantages...
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Post by Paul K on Aug 4, 2017 23:31:11 GMT
Well said Denny, I just delete my post as you covered this subject best.
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