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Post by africaone on Oct 11, 2015 10:58:22 GMT
And here we go... a Russian dealer (V.L.) is already offering on Facebook some scans of it for few dollars. Those people totally ruins the research and the effort of book authors and publishers. Doesn't motivate me to work on a Delias book. lets keep reasonable. this book is not a research book. It a splendid reference book for collectors and curious, no more ! may be with few new information on history, story, etc.. that is only text ? It sems there are only 1000 copies that will probably be quickly sold to book lovers. It seems that the commercial adventure will be quickly ended for the authors and editor. And it will feed the book market for years. A scan of of it is (unfortunetely) absolutely impossible to control and has no collection value. That will serve the Ornithoptera industry and market as a kind of commercial catalogue (and not research as seems to believe Claude).
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Post by exoticimports on Oct 13, 2015 18:24:36 GMT
When governments or philanthropic concerns start funding research and publication then it can be free on the internet. I've been working on a book now for four years and I figure, all told, I'll make 32 cents an hour. I could have made more money at McDonald's. Shouldn't I be allowed to recoup some of my expenses by selling the books "at a profit" ha ha.
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Post by Paul K on Oct 14, 2015 12:50:21 GMT
Many people have interesting websites they have to maintain and spend many hours to work on them . They do that as their passion and pleasure to share their knowledge with others. Publishing the book has an extra cost on top but I doubt you can make profit on that . You should consider your work as creative and fulfilling , not your job. Most of the artist, painters and writers get rich and famous after they've gone unfortunately.
Paul
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Post by wollastoni on Oct 14, 2015 13:37:47 GMT
Yes Paul
And I would add that websites are not free at all for the creator: - Delias of the World cost me about 200 € EVERYYEAR (because it's a huge website) - Collector's Secret cost me about 1000 € EVERYYEAR (because it's huge, because of the automatic tools) - The Insect Collectors' Forum will cost me about 200 € THIS YEAR and MORE in the future for the hosting of the attachments. Some Proboards forum cost about 1000€ per year. And I am not talking of the hours to create them and to monitor them.
If you are running those websites for 10 years, you are talking about a lot of money. That's why I need to find sponsors and donors to make those projects viable on the long term.
Internet is not free for website creators, that's why I hate those Adblocks systems. If you want to help your favorite websites, visit their sponsors, don't hide them.
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Post by africaone on Oct 14, 2015 14:24:12 GMT
.... Publishing the book has an extra cost on top but I doubt you can make profit on that . ... Paul for most of us it is obvious but there are exception such as D'abrera, in some cases, Larsen and probably some more. Here a simple count give 1000 * 500 € = 500 000 €. I doubt that a part doesn't go to the authors.
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Post by Paul K on Oct 14, 2015 15:38:46 GMT
Internet is not free for website creators, that's why I hate those Adblocks systems. If you want to help your favorite websites, visit their sponsors, don't hide them. Sure it's not for free and I understand need of sponsors and people's ads. And I don't mind to click on them to see what they are offering. We all invest lots of time and money into this passion and I don't think we really looking for a big return at the end. That what's keep us alive between work and all every day boring tasks. Well at least that is how I feel ... Paul
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Post by wollastoni on Oct 14, 2015 16:14:43 GMT
Sure that collecting butterflies or creating butterfly websites or writing butterfly books is more a great way to spend your money than to earn some ! But never tell it to my wife !
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Post by Adam Cotton on Feb 21, 2017 17:09:36 GMT
I have just received an e-mail from "Ornitho Press" offering a discount sale price for this book of 400 Euros.
I guess they couldn't sell enough copies at the full price.
Adam.
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Post by mygos on Feb 23, 2017 9:52:06 GMT
.... Publishing the book has an extra cost on top but I doubt you can make profit on that . ... Paul for most of us it is obvious but there are exception such as D'abrera, in some cases, Larsen and probably some more. Here a simple count give 1000 * 500 € = 500 000 €. I doubt that a part doesn't go to the authors.
Thierry, You have to bear in mind that : Authors will send many free copies to thank people that have given them help for the book. Less 5,5 % VAT as the publisher is established in France. 30% discount to book dealers. Free replacement copies for book badly printed or damaged in transport. Advertising cost, packing and shipping costs, etc. A+, Michel
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Post by africaone on Feb 23, 2017 10:35:21 GMT
Michel, it seems obvioulsy for low cost books or those poorly distributed with a small turnover what I mean is that on a total turnover of 500 K€ (probably more), even the percentage is low, it remains some dozens K€ (and I think it is a good thing for the authors)
Are the copies numbered ?
it seem not so distributed and the price increased more than 10-20 %
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Post by mygos on Feb 23, 2017 11:52:43 GMT
The copies are not numbered.
As a book dealer, I am not interested with this type of book, because shipping cost is a real problem compare to the margin of the book. Plus the fact that it was so well advertised though forums FB's pages and entomological shows, that it will be difficult to sell ...
A+, Michel
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Post by mothman55 on Dec 30, 2017 4:46:24 GMT
I have just received an e-mail from "Ornitho Press" offering a discount sale price for this book of 400 Euros. I guess they couldn't sell enough copies at the full price. Adam. Do you know if its still available at 400 Euros? I found the Ornitho Press email from back in February by googling it, but the email (@wanadoo) has been discontinued from what I could tell and I expect my inquiry went nowhere. I see the 2 volume set at Pemberly at 490 pounds, but that's about $850 Cdn, while the 400 Euro promotional price is a more digestible $600 Cdn. Anyway, if you have any info as to whether the promotional price can still be had, please advise. Thanks. Hal
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Post by mothman55 on Jan 2, 2018 13:47:09 GMT
I was able to contact Ornitho Press and they acknowledge the 400 Eur price will still be honored, plus 30 Eur for shipping. I have purchased.
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Post by nomad on Jan 2, 2018 15:36:25 GMT
That's good News. If you like Ornithoptera, this book will give many years of pleasure. I bought mine from Pemberley at the AES. Quite a weight to carry home even using the trains.
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Post by wollastoni on Mar 8, 2019 14:56:58 GMT
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