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Post by nomad on Jan 30, 2015 21:27:11 GMT
At least before getting crazy about it, let's wait for the book to be published before we can judge it ! A+, Michel Hopefully that will be soon.
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Post by nomad on Jan 31, 2015 12:58:06 GMT
The book will be available in March according to the Wizard ( Author?) in a post elsewhere.
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Post by mygos on Jan 31, 2015 13:02:53 GMT
I guess it will be delayed as usual ... I wrote to Jean-Pierre Sclavo (co-author), but he did not take the time to answer me !!!
A+, Michel
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Post by krupten on Feb 1, 2015 6:07:18 GMT
It does look an amazing book, loads of work has obviously gone into this and it certainly won't be cheap, you could probably get those 3 bilateral gynandromorphs on the front cover for less (interesting they are all leftside male rightside female) but I think when you spend that amount of time, effort and personal out lay you deserve a little back.
I'm interested to know what the bottom right specimen is (goliath x meridionalis hybrid for a guess).
the specimen is meridionalis x priamus - and was very expensive and I believe the only one that made it so far. Hybrids between paradisea and meridionalis have been done but without a successful progeny.
I thought I would at least address your queries as it seems to have been overlooked. Cheers Greg
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Post by krupten on Feb 1, 2015 6:11:19 GMT
I guess it will be delayed as usual ... I wrote to Jean-Pierre Sclavo (co-author), but he did not take the time to answer me !!! A+, Michel in conversation with Jean Pierre he informs me that all is going to schedule - even with some modifications to certain elements in the book and that was according to Gilles. I have been yet informed of a price however I have been graced with an authors copy that I shall receive in Nice when I see Jean Pierre.
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Post by timmsyrj on Feb 1, 2015 7:16:00 GMT
Thank you for the information Greg, it's obvious that meridionalis was one parent but wasn't sure on the other, as for price I can imagine this is well into the thousands. You've been graced with an authors copy as well, very nice, I would love to see a copy some time but doubt I'll be able to afford one.
Rich
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Post by mygos on Feb 1, 2015 9:36:07 GMT
I guess it will be delayed as usual ... I wrote to Jean-Pierre Sclavo (co-author), but he did not take the time to answer me !!! A+, Michel in conversation with Jean Pierre he informs me that all is going to schedule - even with some modifications to certain elements in the book and that was according to Gilles. I have been yet informed of a price however I have been graced with an authors copy that I shall receive in Nice when I see Jean Pierre. What I can say, is that their marketing and communication are definitely not well organized ! The book should be published in a month time, and still no pre-publication price nor final public price. When I asked Gilles, he said to ask Jean-Pierre, and when you ask Jean-Pierre he does not answer I have no personal interest with this book other than getting a copy for my own collection , and I am just trying to promote their book as I often do on different forums or my FB page, when I feel it will be interesting for the entomological community ! A+, Michel
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 1, 2015 11:00:28 GMT
Well, their teasing campaign is remarkable !
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Post by mygos on Feb 1, 2015 11:41:37 GMT
Well, their teasing campaign is remarkable ! Yes but they should try to sell as much copies of their book quickly, as due to the high price they will ask (I guess ), it will be soon available as pdf by some of the younger generations ... A+, Michel
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Post by nomad on Feb 1, 2015 13:02:18 GMT
Thank you for the information Greg, it's obvious that meridionalis was one parent but wasn't sure on the other, as for price I can imagine this is well into the thousands. You've been graced with an authors copy as well, very nice, I would love to see a copy some time but doubt I'll be able to afford one. Rich Thousands -ouch.
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 1, 2015 13:06:24 GMT
Thank you Greg for this info, I didn't know that an hybrid between Ornithoptera meridionalis and Ornithoptera priamus existed !
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Post by krupten on Feb 2, 2015 9:29:10 GMT
yes - the resultant male is a wonderful looking insect - I do have nice photos of it. But like paradisea x priamus the tails are reduced more to a "spike: like appendage on the hindwing. When I was in Timika I met with many collectors and ranchers - and they have hybridized paradisea with meridionalis - but the ova - though fertile did not produce a neonate capable of surviving. More the pity - as it would be an interesting specimen. Most of the current hybrids are Troides x Ornithoptera - or Ornithoptera x Schenbergia - but infraspecific hybrids between sympatric species of Schoenbergia are known - ie goliath x tithonus - and they are very interesting. These were taken in eith 79 - or 80 and were sold to Beni in Manokwari who in turn sold them of course to a very eager buyer. I believe they are illustrated in a paper that was published or cited by Jan Haugum. Ripponia and Troides has been done with a viable offspring and Trogonoptera x Troides has never been done nor a hybrid taken from memory. Cheers Greg
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Post by krupten on Feb 2, 2015 9:47:56 GMT
I am not really in a position to even estimate a price - however - if one looks at any similar two volume publication - such as Igarashi - it was about $5 - 600 US at the time of publication and when I met Suguru in Tokyo he mentioned his DESIRE to do a release in English but the costs associated with doing it was HIGH. Suguru as a very wealthy man but publications such as this are done usually out of the pocket of the author and there are no guarantees that the book will be well received. I will GUESS - that a figure in the 2000.00 range is appropriate as there are MANY costs here - to be taken into consideration. As for delays - that is just the lay of the land from not only the publisher but the presses. I know many books are delayed and there are numerous reasons provided but the end result is whilst it is certainly good to know - it can challenge the authors ability to LOCK in a date or even price because of these said variable. I am pleased to have the book issued and that everyone can share in some of the most glorious and wonderful abberations forms and gynandromorphs of this wonderful family. I know that Jean Pierre has known no barrier to stop him to amass some of the most magnificent specimens of the family in one collection. This book brings not only his collection but those of his colleagues who have graciously permitted the intrusion into their collections to illustrate these butterflies. I look forward to the book and if it late - that is fine - it will come - it will be awe-inspiring and it will be at a fair price to all those who invest in such a work and can appreciate the sacrifices and commitment in the undertaking.
I hope the above will help as it illustrates that whilst Gilles is the instrument of production that JP is the investor that has put up the funds to bring this venture into fruition. Thus most likely the reason that Gilles would default to J.P. Sclavo for price and release.
Cheers Greg
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Post by nomad on Feb 2, 2015 11:56:41 GMT
A cost of 2000 may be appropriate to some, but that price will be well out of the reach of the average collector, that's just too much for a new book, Matsuka's was only 450 Euros ( 350 £) !!. But lets see what the cost is when the book appears.
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Post by mygos on Mar 11, 2015 11:00:23 GMT
Still no news about this publication, and still no price announced ... Strange A+, Michel
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