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Post by hewi on Dec 17, 2016 10:03:13 GMT
what do you think about this T. aureus in ebay Ebay demaybe degreasing could help ? |
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 17, 2016 13:42:37 GMT
I think this is a discoloured specimen, rather than natural colour on emergence from the pupa. You could be right about grease being the possible cause, the forewings look discoloured too.
Possibly someone (maybe in Vietnam) tried to degrease the specimen and whatever they used turned it this colour?
Adam.
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Post by Paul K on Dec 17, 2016 14:40:06 GMT
I agree that it looks like oiled specimen, I just don't understand current bid $ 2000 ?
Paul
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Post by Adam Cotton on Dec 17, 2016 15:08:33 GMT
I agree, the bidding has gone mad. Whoever the various bidders are, they don't seem to be worried (or are unaware) about the probability that this is not natural. There are people with money to burn in this world. Even if I had the money to spare I wouldn't bid for such a specimen at any price (assuming it wasn't a CITES listed species, of course).
Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 16:24:02 GMT
Been around this genus a lot and I am aware of the problem of specimens "greasing up", to me this is not natural but has been badly degreased, I really can't weigh ebay bidders up at all, so much money for a bog standard male worth at best £50
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Post by wollastoni on Dec 17, 2016 18:08:22 GMT
Indeed nice greased male...
Some collectors should check the ICF before bidding...
I guess we will see plenty of greased specimens for sale in the next months...
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Post by ciervo on Dec 18, 2016 3:42:43 GMT
Indeed nice greased male... Some collectors should check the ICF before bidding... I guess we will see plenty of greased specimens for sale in the next months... I agree after this dirty specimen sells. We shall see many more being offered. |
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Post by nomad on Dec 18, 2016 5:52:11 GMT
It seems regarding butterflies, many will go to any lengths to make money.  A German museum once had an early six-winged specimen (four hindwings) of a nominate paradisea, now that would take some beating by the fraudsters of today. Unfortunately, another curator was so incensed at the purchase that he had the " natural curiosity " destroyed. Now beat that for all those that like to sell bogus specimens. |
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Post by deliasfanatic on Dec 18, 2016 6:51:01 GMT
That can only be beat by the legendary O. paradisea with tails on the forewings  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 10:24:12 GMT
I have a pieris brassicae male that is every colour of the rainbow, only serious offers please.
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Post by trehopr1 on Dec 18, 2016 19:11:08 GMT
As wollastoni remarked: collectors should check the ICF before bidding on such so-called rarities. Must be a lot of rank amateurs out there who think they have this science and hobby well in hand ! Any seasoned experienced collector/ hobbyist worth his salt sees through these kinds of false offerings. Pity.
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Post by exoticimports on Dec 21, 2016 18:05:56 GMT
For that amount of money one could fly to VN, pay for permits, get USFS license and collect some nice specimens.
Chuck
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Post by luehdorfia on Dec 21, 2016 19:16:24 GMT
For that amount of money one could fly to VN, pay for permits, get USFS license and collect some nice specimens. Chuck is it really possible to get a permit to collect teinopalpus in vietnam? That would be great |
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Post by hewi on Jan 9, 2017 15:19:34 GMT
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 9, 2017 15:35:59 GMT
Yes, the seller says the top bidder never paid... Maybe this bidder had finally read the ICF before sending the money |
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A German museum once had an early six-winged specimen (four hindwings) of a nominate paradisea, now that would take some beating by the fraudsters of today. Unfortunately, another curator was so incensed at the purchase that he had the " natural curiosity " destroyed. Now beat that for all those that like to sell bogus specimens.
