These Oil plantations mean little for the locals, once the foreign company get their hands on the land, for instance the Indonesians in West Papua, the natives see little profit. It is all about land grab and greedy colonialism.
And one has to add that the recent palm oil surge is also caused in part by wrong environmental protection measures in Europe. For instance it is now legally binding for petrol companies in Germany to mix "organic" oils into diesel, in order to decrease carbon dioxide and stop global warming. This measure alone has led to a huge rise in planting corn as an energy plant in Germany destroying the landscape and adding to soil destruction in Germany, but they can't produce enough bio ethanol with corn in Germany. Therefore they import other oils, and this is Palm oil, the largest part of imported Palm oil in Germany is mixed into diesel. Then in Indonesia they burn the rainforest, and German government admits that they sometimes can't say for sure that all the Palm oil is from sustainable sources as it legally should be. This is one of the stupidest things I ever read and heard about, environmental measures that destroy the environment even more. Everybody can read about it but nobody is doing anything because they don't get votes for it.
Global warming is caused by natural cycle of planet earth. It was, it is and it will be either the humans are here or not. It is a good example of using " global warming " to brain wash population and use it to make more profits. Reducing a carbon dioxide by cutting forest which is a filter and reducing carbon dioxide. It is a joke !
cabintom They determine it by the extend if ice shields, etc., of which you have records in geological traces, and others. The infographic is really good as it shows in proportion how messed up everything is, in an easy to understand way so that people should get it by now.
The tragic part is, that everything that will save the environment, namely consume less, will save the average Joe money, but he still thinks that people want to fool him with an elaborate hoax.
Last Edit: Sept 20, 2016 14:19:55 GMT by nomihoudai
cabintom : brilliant infographic, it shows how we fucked up the world in only 50 years after millions of years of existence...
And you can do the same infographic about plastic in the oceans (around nothing 50 years ago, now there is a continent of plastic in the Pacific...), about deforestation (before WWII the world was a different planet), about pesticides, and so on...
At this path, the world our children will live will be a real disaster. And a world too small and too destroyed to survive all together means WW3, genocides or colonialism...
In the meantime, let's enjoy the last days of the Paradise.
Last Edit: Sept 20, 2016 15:57:39 GMT by wollastoni
I watched a documentary a couple of years ago here in the U.K that documented the history of earth over millions of years with evidence of 26 ice ages that scientists have proven, which means global warming has occurred at least 25 times before and as we are still coming out of the latest ice age, global warming is an inevitable fact, all part of earths much greater seasonal cycle than Spring, summer, Autumn and winter 12 month cycle, they also high lighted the fact that our sun is still a very young and still growing star, getting hotter as it matures (albeit very slowly), the program also showed fossils found here in the U.K of ferns, the likes of which are only found in tropical regions today, indicating that the U.K was a lot warmer than now at some point in history, (I don't think we had plant nurseries here millions of years ago) lol, at some point the temperatures will even out, we can see evidence even now, apparently, the hotter it gets the more evaporation takes places amounting to an increase in cloud cover, wetter weather, cooler summers and warmer winters, I can certainly vouch for this, we have cooler, very wet summers (plenty of floods etc) and the last really cold winter was a few years back, the last 2 hardly a frost, bought about by cloud cover. They went on to look at human involvement in this global warming and although there is evidence that we haven't helped and that we probably have speeded it up a little the effect caused by us is negligible, Co2 is the biggest issue they all agree on that, this has risen with increased deforestation (shocking) so why then are we continuing to deforest, especially when we deforest to grow a product to attempt to stop global warming, nothing more than the mighty dollar (not pointing fingers there, world trade is done in dollars) and vote winning, both shameful and both hide the facts from the public.
Personally I love these adverts that claim "for every tree we fell, we plant 3 more" ok they do, great for them, but let's compare the sizes, a mature tree can take as much as a ton of Co2 out of the atmosphere in a year, but the 3 saplings they replace it with remove maybe a few ounces, these trees would probably have to live 50 years before they have caught up with the carbon deficit caused by removing 1 mature tree, the general public buy these products because the think they are helping the environment and go about their lives happy that they are helping (whilst being kept in the dark about the truth), so sad, so gullible, so human..
Soap box away, I'm off fishing (I'm just glad we are coming out of an ice age, can you imagine the hysteria if we were going into one!!)
I'm a bit of a fence sitter when it comes to the cause of global warming... human impact or a natural cycle, who cares. It's pretty obvious we humans aren't a net neutral force... even if someone believes our impact is slight, I think they must agree that we aren't helping the health of the environment. We aren't making things "better"... though what "better" is, is debatable.
I don't doubt the human impact has an effect but as this documentary said earth has had at least 26 ice ages (apparently) and we still had global warming with zero human numbers (no burning of fossil fuels, deforestation, cfc's etc etc) and it still thawed the ice caps, water levels raised, salt flats and the Dead Sea were alive, grass grew at the South Pole (as it is now, the seeds have been dormant for years). We can remove all signs of human life tomorrow and reverse any human damage, it'll still be warmer in 20 years. Mother Nature tries her hardest to keep human numbers low with desease, famine, floods, earth quakes but we are a resilient lot and survive, we are earths cancer and planet earth is losing the battle. Add the over reaction and dramatisation by media, governments and greens and we are where we are today, years ago we had irreversible damage to the ozone layer, apparently the hole is smaller now, have you seen this on the news? It doesn't sell papers.
Again I don't doubt our impact, but I also don't believe media hype.
"Mother Nature tries her hardest to keep human numbers low with desease, famine, floods, earth quakes but we are a resilient lot and survive, we are earths cancer and planet earth is losing the battle"
Ah well Rich, as long as we have good old CITES to punish collectors all will be well, they will save the day...........oh wait.