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Post by aviark on Aug 1, 2016 23:47:10 GMT
Can members please recommend the best location (thread?) for locating American, European and Asian breeders of beetles. Especially if involved in "Alive" shipping. Perhaps relocation of this, my post, would be necessary too.
I am exploring options for importing 'new' dung beetles to Australia. Legitimate of course, but currently there is only one (prohibitively expensive) government pathway to do this. I am sure amateur breeders can supply various species at reasonable cost and would be prepared, for extra payment, to follow a few quarantine protocols so as to overcome any bureaucratic obstacles to importation to Australia. There is a fifty year history around government funded projects for dung beetle introductions to Australia.
[ see refs. to Dr. George Bornemissza ] (I would do all the legal work here in Australia.) I am a little lost in 'the internet of all this'. I know the breeders are out there. I am one. I just find it difficult to find these like minds.
FYI I currently breed Copris hispanus, Bubas bison, Onitis alexis and Onitis aygulus. I have access to number of Mediterranean and south African dung beetles too, as well as some Western Australian species. I would like to work up a reciprocal trade arrangement with like-minded people, probably associated with cattle farming. Thank you. John Allen. Western Australia.
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Post by jshuey on Aug 2, 2016 18:36:17 GMT
I see huge legal issues involved here. In the US, you can't even move live insects across state lines without a permit - let alone trade with Australia.
John
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Post by ninjaninku on May 7, 2019 13:39:01 GMT
I would be interested in talking to you further. I have been looking for partners for this type undrtaking
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Post by Zeiss on May 9, 2019 7:56:14 GMT
I see huge legal issues involved here. In the US, you can't even move live insects across state lines without a permit - let alone trade with Australia. John As far as I am aware, dung beetles are not regulated along with a good majority of other living insects. Reproductive Hymenopterans, Lepidoptera, and a few other things I can't think of at the moment are regulated. Even with leps, you can purchase live without permits as long as they are allowed by the USDA to be shipped to your state. Some of the US butterfly farms outline this when you visit their page. Roaches are another thing that a few states regulate, FL being one of them. Now, talking about exporting out of the US, that is illegal and as far as I am aware nearly impossible with the blanket banning of the live invert hobby in the US. You need to have special connections to even be considered for shipping permits.
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Post by jshuey on May 9, 2019 12:59:16 GMT
I see huge legal issues involved here. In the US, you can't even move live insects across state lines without a permit - let alone trade with Australia. John As far as I am aware, dung beetles are not regulated along with a good majority of other living insects. Reproductive Hymenopterans, Lepidoptera, and a few other things I can't think of at the moment are regulated. Even with leps, you can purchase live without permits as long as they are allowed by the USDA to be shipped to your state. Some of the US butterfly farms outline this when you visit their page. Roaches are another thing that a few states regulate, FL being one of them. Now, talking about exporting out of the US, that is illegal and as far as I am aware nearly impossible with the blanket banning of the live invert hobby in the US. You need to have special connections to even be considered for shipping permits. I'm reasonably sure that it requires an APHIS permit to legally move any species of insect across state lines - go here to create an account to review requirements. - www.eauth.usda.gov/MainPages/eauthWhatIsAccount.aspx. I can't remember if permits are free or not (all I do is renew mine every couple of years). The application asks you to document that the insects in question won't create economic damage if they escape. It's all about - could the species in question become a pest species if you move it. Here in Indiana, you also need permission (aka another permit) from our Department of Entomology as well - which will ask lots of questions about containment facilities. Certain butterflies used in the "live butterfly release" trade are exempt. By and large, people trading ova of silk moths here in the US are in violation of these regulations. John
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Post by Zeiss on May 10, 2019 4:43:42 GMT
I'm reasonably sure that it requires an APHIS permit to legally move any species of insect across state lines - go here to create an account to review requirements. - www.eauth.usda.gov/MainPages/eauthWhatIsAccount.aspx.
I can't remember if permits are free or not (all I do is renew mine every couple of years). The application asks you to document that the insects in question won't create economic damage if they escape. It's all about - could the species in question become a pest species if you move it. Here in Indiana, you also need permission (aka another permit) from our Department of Entomology as well - which will ask lots of questions about containment facilities. Certain butterflies used in the "live butterfly release" trade are exempt.
By and large, people trading ova of silk moths here in the US are in violation of these regulations.
John I can't believe they would have restrictions as such when there are so many people publicly selling inverts at expos, online, through forums, as well as on social medias. If that is so, having regulations as such are too much, in my opinion; but then again, there are also a lot of idiots out there that just release anything and everything. I'll look into it when I have the time, I was thinking regulations stopped at importation/exportation as well as limited to some certain groups.
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Post by wollastoni on May 10, 2019 11:16:59 GMT
Bringing alien insect species to Australia is totally forbidden as far as I know, except if you have a special permit and authorization. As an island, Australia has to protect its endemic species from invasive ones.
So you should carefully check the laws and contact your custom authorities before importing any insects there.
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Post by marjorieriggs on Jul 18, 2019 11:42:35 GMT
edited by admin (see wollastoni comment below)
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Post by Paul K on Jul 18, 2019 13:47:59 GMT
I think it is better to remove or eliminate the pests and bugs rather to relocate them. There are different measures which can be taken to control theses pests. One can also take the help of professionals which provides the pest control services. One of my friends calls EDITED company to control pests in his house. One can take help from this company. Ok, but how is that relevant to importing dung beetles to Australia?
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Post by wollastoni on Jul 18, 2019 15:25:18 GMT
I think it is better to remove or eliminate the pests and bugs rather to relocate them. There are different measures which can be taken to control theses pests. One can also take the help of professionals which provides the pest control services. One of my friends calls EDITED company to control pests in his house. One can take help from this company. Ok, but how is that relevant to importing dung beetles to Australia? Irrelevant. THis is just a very rude "link-building". As my forum is very high on Google on insect research, having a link here will improve this pest control company ranking on Google... So Marjorie, if you want to rent a banner to boost your Google ranking and support this forum, contact us. I have removed your link, if you do it again, you will be banned.
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