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Post by nomad on Jan 25, 2015 15:41:32 GMT
Great to see you made here Andrew. Super image.
nomad = Peter
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coopera
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Post by coopera on Jan 25, 2015 16:14:56 GMT
Cheers Peter!
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Post by Adam Cotton on Jan 25, 2015 16:19:44 GMT
Superb photo, Andrew. Welcome to the forum.
Adam.
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coopera
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Country: England
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Post by coopera on Jan 25, 2015 16:26:34 GMT
Much appreciated Adam.
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Post by xavm (Xavier) on Jan 26, 2015 10:12:53 GMT
Sorry, Olivier, I overlooked your question., This is a Polyommatus bellargus too.
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Post by wollastoni on Jan 31, 2015 15:33:53 GMT
Thank you Xavier.
Below a lovely ab. discoelongatus of Polyommatus icarus.
Not from my collection
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Post by xavm (Xavier) on Feb 5, 2015 13:02:30 GMT
Thank you Xavier.
Below a lovely ab. discoelongatus of Polyommatus icarus.
Not from my collection
Dear Olivier,
It seems you will need to create a Polyommatus icarus dedicated topic
I hope you will like the second 'suffusa' from Macherin, F-77
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Post by bobw on Feb 5, 2015 13:42:36 GMT
The specimen above is one of the many bred by Les Young back in the 80s. This was briefly discussed on the Insectnet forum. I've copied my post there below:
Some of the English collectors on here may recall that back in the 80s and maybe early 90s there was a collector called Les Young (long since deceased) who selectively reared P. icarus for many years and produced extreme "radiata" specimens at will. He started off by rearing from a wild-caught female with slightly enlarged spots and reared three generations of several hundred specimens per year. From each brood he selected the most extreme forms for breeding and after only about six generations produced "radiata" specimens that would put the ones shown here to shame; the stock also threw out other types of extreme aberration. He had to do an outcross fairly regularly to strengthen the stock but it only took a generation or two to get the aberrations back.
I used to have quite a few of his specimens but disposed of them some time ago, however he gave quite a few away to acquaintances so I'm sure there must be people out there who still have some of his specimens - he reared thousands of them. His set up to do such intensive breeding of a single species was very impressive.
Bob
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 5, 2015 14:00:01 GMT
Thanks for this interesting precision Bob ! Would love to see those extreme radiata !
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Post by xavm (Xavier) on Feb 5, 2015 15:46:58 GMT
Dear Olivier,
It seems you will need to create a Polyommatus icarus dedicated topic
I hope you will like the second 'suffusa' from Macherin, F-77
After another suffusa... something different.... a x polonus.
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 5, 2015 16:17:17 GMT
Fantastic! Could you make a photo of your polonus betweem a P. coridon asturiensis and a P. bellargus from there so that I better see the difference ?
Thanks a lot Xavier. Hope the ALF meeting was interesting.
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Post by xavm (Xavier) on Feb 5, 2015 16:33:39 GMT
Yes, the ALF meeting was really interesting for Parnassius-addicted
Here you have the parents along with the hybrid :
- P. bellargus - x polonus - P. coridon
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 5, 2015 17:11:46 GMT
Perfect !!! there I understand better. So it looks like a turquoise bellargus with black dots.
I guess you took it in June before the coridon flying period too ? I have read, from Yvan I think, it is the good period to find them.
The ab. striata that I pictured at the beginning of this thread has been taken during my Polyommatus polonus hunt in Lubéron... unfortunately I did not find it.
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Post by xavm (Xavier) on Feb 5, 2015 18:11:52 GMT
When it flies, the blue shape makes you feeling this is a P. dorylas.
I collected it about July 10. You have the better chance during the last week of June in Provence and the 1st wk of July else where.
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Post by wollastoni on Feb 5, 2015 18:23:47 GMT
Thanks, I know now when to book my holiday week in Provence ! :-)
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